Amp/Preamp Asylum: Buyers didn't think so by Des

What do you make of these frequency spectra? - Feanor 09:08:05 07/8/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Captain America 15:29:14 07/5/12 ( 5)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 23:23:07 07/5/12 ( 3)
- RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - villastrangiato 04:29:08 07/6/12 ( 0)
- RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Captain America 23:57:03 07/5/12 ( 1)
  - RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 14:48:47 07/6/12 ( 0)
No it's not just you... - villastrangiato 20:18:11 07/5/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - villastrangiato 08:50:32 06/27/12 ( 9)

Moderate use of negative feedback - Feanor 05:45:40 07/1/12 ( 8)
- RE: Moderate use of negative feedback - morricab 01:01:53 07/3/12 ( 7)
  - Pass makes a good case for ZERO negative feedback ... - Feanor 05:58:10 07/3/12 ( 6)
    - RE: Pass makes a good case for ZERO negative feedback ... - morricab 01:13:22 07/4/12 ( 5)
      - The basic issue is the audibility of distortion - Feanor 07:26:45 07/5/12 ( 4)
        
        RE: The basic issue is the audibility of distortion - morricab 14:14:05 07/5/12 ( 3)
        
        I guess I'm just deaf - Feanor 10:55:37 07/6/12 ( 2)
        
        RE: I guess I'm just deaf - morricab 15:07:49 07/6/12 ( 1)
        
        I'll reread Geddes, Cheever, et al. a few more times - Feanor 16:21:33 07/7/12 ( 0)

Biased or prejudiced towards an amp according to topology or devices used. - jihad 09:51:04 06/26/12 ( 1)

RE: Biased or prejudiced towards an amp according to topology or devices used. - morricab 07:39:06 06/27/12 ( 0)

You missed a few good criterion. - jihad 05:55:23 06/25/12 ( 2)

RE: You missed a few good criterion. - morricab 07:54:41 06/25/12 ( 0)
RE: You missed a few good criterion. - rick_m 07:07:45 06/25/12 ( 0)

You're saying we should look at SPECIFICATIONS ?!? - Feanor 07:54:38 06/23/12 ( 7)

RE: You're saying we should look at SPECIFICATIONS ?!? - morricab 11:05:04 06/23/12 ( 6)
- Ok but it's a fine line between specifications and design description -nt - Feanor 17:55:44 06/23/12 ( 5)
  - RE: Ok but it's a fine line between specifications and design description -nt - morricab 02:23:40 06/25/12 ( 4)
    - I see the distinction, but to get back to specifications ... - Feanor 06:04:09 06/26/12 ( 3)
      - RE: I see the distinction, but to get back to specifications ... - morricab 07:58:32 06/27/12 ( 2)
        
        Again, it comes around to perferences - Feanor 09:08:17 06/28/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: Again, it comes around to perferences - morricab 00:08:53 06/29/12 ( 0)

Given ant thought to auditioning the Sanders Magtech? nT - Vic D 09:59:38 06/21/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Bill the K 00:13:46 06/21/12 ( 12)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 04:13:33 06/21/12 ( 11)
- Interesting - Bill the K 05:27:10 06/21/12 ( 10)
  - RE: Interesting - morricab 12:37:41 06/22/12 ( 9)
    - RE: Interesting - Bill the K 20:26:10 06/22/12 ( 8)
      - RE: Interesting - Disbeliever 23:32:05 06/22/12 ( 7)
        
        RE: Interesting - morricab 11:06:12 06/23/12 ( 6)
        
        RE: Interesting - Disbeliever 22:43:59 06/23/12 ( 5)
        
        RE: Interesting - morricab 02:25:12 06/25/12 ( 4)
        
        RE: Interesting - Disbeliever 05:22:19 06/25/12 ( 3)
        
        RE: Interesting - morricab 07:48:31 06/25/12 ( 2)
        
        RE: Interesting - Disbeliever 08:33:08 06/25/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: Interesting - morricab 05:35:37 06/26/12 ( 0)

Pass labs... - slapshot 13:47:19 06/19/12 ( 10)

RE: Pass labs... - morricab 09:07:29 06/20/12 ( 8)
- Please use your deductive skills to analyze the Ayre MX-Rs - Pinkus 09:42:55 06/20/12 ( 7)
  - RE: Please use your deductive skills to analyze the Ayre MX-Rs - morricab 04:05:27 06/22/12 ( 5)
    - How does the old saying go? - Charles Hansen 21:24:31 06/22/12 ( 4)
      - RE: How does the old saying go? - givemevinyl 01:12:23 06/23/12 ( 0)
      - Glad to see you're finally using global feedback, Charles... - andy_c 21:50:33 06/22/12 ( 2)
        
        Exactly. - Charles Hansen 04:51:22 06/23/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: Exactly. - morricab 11:21:34 06/23/12 ( 0)
  - RE: Please use your deductive skills to analyze the Ayre MX-Rs - morricab 14:50:26 06/20/12 ( 0)
Not very well, I predict - Pinkus 13:52:49 06/19/12 ( 0)

Why so restrictive? - Jon L 11:08:49 06/19/12 ( 8)

RE: Why so restrictive? - morricab 12:36:15 06/19/12 ( 7)
- RE: Why so restrictive? - 3db 06:12:35 06/20/12 ( 6)
  - RE: Why so restrictive? - morricab 08:35:45 06/20/12 ( 5)
    - Care to identify? - woober goober 13:38:14 06/20/12 ( 4)
      - Thanks for the extensive list! - woober goober 05:37:23 06/25/12 ( 0)
      - RE: Care to identify? - morricab 12:52:26 06/22/12 ( 2)
        
        RE: Care to identify? Yet . . . - Hi-Fi Nut 08:32:23 06/24/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: Care to identify? Yet . . . - morricab 02:26:31 06/25/12 ( 0)

Sometimes when you buy laboratory grade equipment... - airtime 08:19:08 06/19/12 ( 0)

See: Halcro, by all measurements the perfect amplifier. - jihad 07:00:53 06/19/12 ( 2)

Buyers didn't think so - Des 06/20/12 13:21:21 06/20/12 ( 1)
- RE: Buyers didn't think so - jihad 14:06:16 06/20/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Wojciech 21:23:33 06/18/12 ( 1)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 05:42:29 06/19/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - hahax@verizon.net 20:32:44 06/18/12 ( 3)

Linearity is so underated but is the most important spec off all - 3db 04:47:14 06/19/12 ( 0)
RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - DrChaos 21:57:26 06/18/12 ( 1)
- RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - 3db 04:50:56 06/19/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Lord Soth 20:00:23 06/18/12 ( 3)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 05:44:56 06/19/12 ( 2)
- RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Lord Soth 07:01:07 06/20/12 ( 1)
  - RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Tony Lauck 20:28:22 07/7/12 ( 0)

I would like to read comments from Charles Hansen and Victor Komenho on this post - Mike K 19:52:49 06/18/12 ( 0)

A thought provoking post... - rick_m 19:15:21 06/18/12 ( 1)

RE: A thought provoking post... - morricab 05:46:38 06/19/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - RGA 18:52:24 06/18/12 ( 0)

agreed on all counts! Thanks for putting this up. - Ralph 12:46:24 06/18/12 ( 43)

RE: agreed on all counts! Thanks for putting this up. - morricab 14:47:53 06/18/12 ( 39)
- RE: agreed on all counts! Thanks for putting this up. - Ralph 08:15:32 06/19/12 ( 38)
  - RE: agreed on all counts! Thanks for putting this up. - morricab 05:37:54 06/26/12 ( 37)
    - yes and no. - Ralph 10:16:26 06/26/12 ( 36)
      - RE: yes and no. - Sunya 07:00:29 06/29/12 ( 28)
        
        RE: yes and no. - villastrangiato 08:09:50 06/29/12 ( 27)
        
        RE: yes and no. - Sunya 09:29:23 06/29/12 ( 26)
        
        FWIW, the old tubes vs transistors debate.... - Ralph 09:43:16 06/29/12 ( 25)
        
        RE: FWIW, the old tubes vs transistors debate.... - villastrangiato 20:14:32 06/29/12 ( 24)
        
        I think there are a few. - Ralph 09:37:51 07/2/12 ( 18)
        
        RE: I think there are a few. - villastrangiato 06:05:20 07/3/12 ( 17)
        
        RE: I think there are a few. - Ralph 10:00:07 07/3/12 ( 16)
        
        RE: I think there are a few. - villastrangiato 20:31:27 07/3/12 ( 15)
        
        harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - Ralph 11:13:05 07/4/12 ( 14)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - villastrangiato 19:41:28 07/4/12 ( 13)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - Ralph 09:29:27 07/5/12 ( 3)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - villastrangiato 19:57:03 07/5/12 ( 2)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - PaulF70 07:28:10 06/17/16 ( 0)
        
        The human ear is the most important thing in audio - Ralph 07:48:20 07/7/12 ( 0)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - morricab 01:13:20 07/5/12 ( 8)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - villastrangiato 04:42:49 07/5/12 ( 7)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - morricab 14:21:54 07/5/12 ( 5)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - villastrangiato 19:46:44 07/5/12 ( 4)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - morricab 00:36:34 07/6/12 ( 3)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - Sunya 07:02:50 07/6/12 ( 2)
        
        Correction - morricab 15:14:17 07/6/12 ( 0)
        
        RE: harmonic distortion does not get 'buried in the mix'. - morricab 15:10:10 07/6/12 ( 0)
        
        If you are not willing to read the studies and work you will remain ignorant - Ralph 09:42:57 07/5/12 ( 0)
        
        Spectral nt - Sunya 03:39:31 07/1/12 ( 4)
        
        RE: Spectral nt - villastrangiato 07:11:53 07/1/12 ( 3)
        
        RE: Spectral et al... - Ralph 09:33:53 07/2/12 ( 0)
        
        RE: Spectral nt - morricab 09:39:07 07/1/12 ( 0)
        
        RE: Spectral nt - rick_m 09:19:53 07/1/12 ( 0)
      - RE: yes and no. - morricab 08:07:36 06/27/12 ( 6)
        
        RE: yes and no. - Ralph 09:25:00 06/27/12 ( 5)
        
        RE: yes and no. - villastrangiato 08:13:24 06/28/12 ( 4)
        
        The goal is the same. - Ralph 12:31:01 06/28/12 ( 3)
        
        RE: The goal is the same. - rick_m 09:36:22 06/29/12 ( 0)
        
        RE: The goal is the same. - morricab 00:18:36 06/29/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: Yes, I agree. nt - Ralph 09:32:46 06/29/12 ( 0)
What "human hearing rules" are you referring to? nt - Rick W 14:01:05 06/18/12 ( 2)
- RE: What "human hearing rules" are you referring to? nt - Ralph 07:58:27 06/19/12 ( 0)
- Read Ralph's linked paper for the details. (nt) - jbrrp1 15:04:52 06/18/12 ( 0)

Which of those requirements would you attribute to the downfall (according to you) of Soulution amp? - carcass93 10:59:27 06/18/12 ( 1)

RE: Which of those requirements would you attribute to the downfall (according to you) of Soulution amp? - morricab 14:58:24 06/18/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Disbeliever 09:47:05 06/18/12 ( 11)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 10:17:04 06/18/12 ( 10)
- RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - jimmycj 13:04:25 06/19/12 ( 3)
  - RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - morricab 08:36:26 06/20/12 ( 2)
    - RE: including the new integrated Audio Research? [no text] - Hi-Fi Nut 08:35:44 06/24/12 ( 1)
      - RE: including the new integrated Audio Research? [no text] - morricab 02:27:50 06/25/12 ( 0)
- It fails on at least three counts - E-Stat 14:27:30 06/18/12 ( 5)
  - RE: It fails on at least three counts - Disbeliever 22:37:15 06/18/12 ( 4)
    - "sounds very good, far better than any Class D amp." - Vic D 01:34:58 06/21/12 ( 2)
      - RE: "sounds very good, far better than any Class D amp." - Disbeliever 01:59:57 06/21/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: "sounds very good, far better than any Class D amp." - jimmycj 20:47:09 06/24/12 ( 0)
    - I found the transformer size - E-Stat 06:09:58 06/19/12 ( 0)

RE: My criteria for a POTENTIALLY good sounding amp - Disbeliever 09:44:50 06/18/12 ( 13)

why avoid tubes? In my opinion, - they are a requirement -t - Sordidman 09:47:08 06/18/12 ( 12)
- RE: why avoid tubes? In my opinion, - they are a requirement -t - Disbeliever 09:50:55 06/18/12 ( 11)
  - two different paradigms - Ralph 12:26:30 06/18/12 ( 0)
  - accuracy? That's a moving target..... - Sordidman 10:07:02 06/18/12 ( 9)
    - Sorry guys, - you are correct: too much shilling from him -t - Sordidman 13:14:14 06/18/12 ( 0)
    - You might as well bang your head against a brick wall... - Ozzy 10:45:35 06/18/12 ( 1)
      - Agreed! Either your head will end up sore on the inside OR the outside...N/T - musetap 11:27:30 06/18/12 ( 0)
    - RE: accuracy? That's a moving target..... - morricab 10:22:55 06/18/12 ( 4)
      - Well, that does depend on how close your recording is - Sordidman 14:07:24 06/18/12 ( 0)
      - RE: accuracy? That's a moving target..... - Disbeliever 10:31:57 06/18/12 ( 2)
        
        RE: accuracy? That's a moving target..... - jimmycj 11:02:46 07/3/12 ( 1)
        
        RE: accuracy? That's a moving target..... - Disbeliever 22:58:57 07/3/12 ( 0)
    - RE: accuracy? That's a moving target..... - Disbeliever 10:17:35 06/18/12 ( 0)