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	Can it get any more compressed than this	Dan Banquer 11-13-2009 17:49	9	11-19-2009 23:17 by Ugly
That is quite impressive. n/t - Ugly 23:17:52 11/19/09 (0) Looks like… - b.l.zeebub 12:03:47 11/16/09 (0) Yes it can. - Tony Lauck 14:09:02 11/14/09 (0) RE: Can it get any more compressed than this - Awe-d-o-file 07:14:54 11/14/09 (0) Its just as demanding - E-Stat 06:48:35 11/14/09 (0) Looks like some strand of heavy metal - kerr 04:25:10 11/14/09 (3) Nope, it's hip-hop - Metralla 13:48:15 11/14/09 (0) RE: Looks like some strand of heavy metal - Tony Lauck 06:45:09 11/14/09 (1) RE: Looks like some strand of heavy metal - kerr 07:39:43 11/14/09 (0)
	What is missing in measurements, so there's lack of correlation between them and sound quality?	carcass93 10-27-2009 09:49	92	11-19-2009 18:21 by andy_c
Did you hear the Benchmark at it's best? - Don Till 08:21:58 10/28/09 (5) Too Transport Sensitive.......... - Todd Krieger 15:47:45 10/28/09 (0) RE: Did you hear the Benchmark at it's best? - morricab 15:09:14 10/28/09 (1) I suspect it's a modern day Adcom GFP 565. - bjh 04:56:27 10/29/09 (0) RE: Did you hear the Benchmark at it's best? - kerr 12:03:31 10/28/09 (0) Don't forget supports (isolation footers, etc.) Then again - bjh 11:06:31 10/28/09 (0) RE: What is missing in measurements? In this case, not much - theaudiohobby 22:48:50 10/27/09 (81) So... any idea why both of Wavelength and Ayre sound better,... - carcass93 08:30:33 10/28/09 (76) RE: So... any idea why both of Wavelength and Ayre sound better,... - Todd Krieger 00:15:11 11/02/09 (13) RE: So... any idea why both of Wavelength and Ayre sound better,... - theaudiohobby 09:47:56 11/02/09 (5) Oh boy... It's that rare case when I actually agree with Don. - carcass93 10:05:35 11/02/09 (4) You missed my point - I'm not in agreement with the original assumption. - Don Till 16:23:52 11/02/09 (3) I thought I made it clear what exactly I agree with, quoting your 2 sentences. - carcass93 08:37:40 11/03/09 (0) RE: You missed my point - I'm not in agreement with the original assumption. - Todd Krieger 22:08:49 11/02/09 (1) RE: Accuracy - rick_m 10:43:50 11/03/09 (0) ASRC not necessarily bad. - Tony Lauck 07:47:48 11/02/09 (6) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Todd Krieger 18:04:19 11/02/09 (5) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Tony Lauck 19:49:14 11/02/09 (4) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Todd Krieger 21:43:50 11/02/09 (3) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Tony Lauck 06:13:51 11/03/09 (2) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Todd Krieger 10:44:18 11/03/09 (1) RE: ASRC not necessarily bad. - Tony Lauck 12:40:06 11/03/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 06:38:34 10/29/09 (61) RE: Your words, not mine. - Don Till 08:09:56 11/01/09 (54) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 14:17:27 11/02/09 (53) RE: Your words, not mine. - Todd Krieger 23:46:42 11/02/09 (4) He still won't even attempt to explain how is that rollof responsible... - carcass93 08:56:19 11/03/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 05:14:21 11/03/09 (2) RE: Your words, not mine. - Tony Lauck 07:23:15 11/03/09 (1) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 08:28:14 11/03/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - Don Till 16:12:31 11/02/09 (46) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 02:51:43 11/03/09 (44) RE: Your words, not mine. - Tony Lauck 06:52:25 11/03/09 (43) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 09:33:51 11/03/09 (42) RE: Your words, not mine. - andy_c 11:51:44 11/03/09 (41) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 04:17:14 11/04/09 (38) RE: Your words, not mine. - andy_c 19:30:57 11/04/09 (1) RE: Your words, not mine. - Tony Lauck 08:59:41 11/05/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 07:52:16 11/04/09 (35) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 15:58:23 11/04/09 (33) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 16:45:19 11/04/09 (32) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 02:28:06 11/05/09 (30) Remember - you're dealing with someone who thinks the last post in the thread "wins",... - carcass93 08:19:03 11/05/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 02:56:23 11/05/09 (28) Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 04:20:13 11/06/09 (25) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 10:23:49 11/06/09 (23) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 05:00:04 11/10/09 (22) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 09:42:07 11/10/09 (17) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 06:18:24 11/12/09 (14) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 07:53:13 11/12/09 (13) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 17:25:45 11/12/09 (12) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 18:13:40 11/12/09 (11) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 11:29:30 11/13/09 (1) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 13:39:19 11/13/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 08:02:40 11/13/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 04:22:54 11/13/09 (7) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 09:29:32 11/13/09 (6) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 07:17:53 11/15/09 (3) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 10:51:26 11/15/09 (2) Have you looked at the MSB DAC? - morricab 10:16:19 11/19/09 (1) RE: Have you looked at the MSB DAC? - andy_c 18:21:14 11/19/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 11:56:01 11/13/09 (1) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 13:43:01 11/13/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - morricab 06:16:21 11/12/09 (1) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 07:50:37 11/12/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 09:02:09 11/10/09 (3) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 09:43:01 11/10/09 (2) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 14:40:48 11/10/09 (1) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - andy_c 15:13:40 11/10/09 (0) RE: Oh and I forgot to add... - Tony Lauck 07:20:09 11/06/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - morricab 03:53:57 11/06/09 (1) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 05:01:25 11/06/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - Tony Lauck 18:50:50 11/04/09 (0) "OP question has been answered" - you haven't understood the question, let alone... - carcass93 09:08:18 11/04/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - Tony Lauck 17:35:51 11/03/09 (0) RE: Your words, not mine. - theaudiohobby 14:13:08 11/03/09 (0) RE: Thanks Don - theaudiohobby 17:13:48 11/02/09 (0) You're still unable to grasp the topic of this discussion - and no, it's not "accurate sound",... - carcass93 14:28:10 11/02/09 (0) I like the version in the article that Todd linked better. - carcass93 09:03:03 10/29/09 (5) RE: I like the version in the article that Todd linked better. - theaudiohobby 01:31:02 10/30/09 (4) If you say so, oh Enlightened One. - carcass93 07:54:57 10/30/09 (3) RE: Paraphrased - theaudiohobby 01:11:14 10/31/09 (2) No, you're wrong again. It was not "Tell me what I want to hear", but rather... - carcass93 04:59:40 10/31/09 (1) RE: LOL! Good luck in your search. -nt - theaudiohobby 01:25:53 11/01/09 (0) RE: What is missing in measurements? In this case, not much - Todd Krieger 00:19:59 10/28/09 (3) RE: What is missing in measurements? In this case, not much - Werner 02:42:19 11/02/09 (0) RE: What is missing in measurements? In this case, not much - theaudiohobby 01:38:17 10/28/09 (1) RE: What is missing in measurements? In this case, not much - Todd Krieger 15:59:59 10/28/09 (0) Daniel H. Cheever Wrote an Article on the Subject.............. - Todd Krieger 17:53:43 10/27/09 (1) Very interesting - should keep me occupied on the train for some time. - carcass93 09:04:06 10/28/09 (0) Or maybe someone forgot to ask for your personal opinion?nt - Dan Banquer 16:00:07 10/27/09 (1) Just in that case, I stated it in my post. The thing is - ... - carcass93 19:08:02 10/27/09 (0)
	A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components.	thetubeguy1954 11-9-2009 13:55	22	11-15-2009 08:17 by geoffkait
RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - Awe-d-o-file 07:18:07 11/14/09 (1) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - geoffkait 08:17:57 11/15/09 (0) RE: "I don't want to disclose what my unexpected realization was until later in this thread" - geoffkait 09:00:01 11/13/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - Tony Lauck 09:17:32 11/10/09 (0) Too analytical! Close your eyes and listen. - Norm 05:59:19 11/10/09 (1) Analytical or just the first four letters.............. - Awe-d-o-file 07:19:14 11/14/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - Todd Krieger 22:41:32 11/09/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - mpathus 20:48:42 11/09/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - Curly Woods 18:13:21 11/09/09 (9) It's called "long term listening" and ... - mkuller 10:45:36 11/12/09 (0) That makes too much sense. We'll be keeping an eye on you....nt - geoffkait 07:24:20 11/10/09 (7) To see if he leaves or gets banned? - kerr 12:13:29 11/11/09 (6) RE: To see if he leaves or gets banned? - Curly Woods 11:05:27 11/12/09 (3) Well, there is sensible and there is "sensible" - kerr 13:43:15 11/12/09 (2) RE: Well, there is sensible and there is "sensible" - Curly Woods 15:52:12 11/12/09 (1) RE: Well, there is sensible and there is "sensible" - kerr 04:33:37 11/13/09 (0) I was thinking more along the lines of ... - geoffkait 05:34:20 11/12/09 (1) RE: I was thinking more along the lines of ... - kerr 13:43:45 11/12/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - kerr 17:05:56 11/09/09 (0) RE: A Question For Those Who Believe In SUBJECTIVELY Audtioning Audio Components. - May Belt 14:46:06 11/09/09 (1) Sounds alot like dating. - Enophile 21:34:20 11/11/09 (0) First of all, a little clarification - E-Stat 14:42:01 11/09/09 (0)
	On the insignificance of significant results and listener training	Don Till 10-18-2009 06:21	19	11-9-2009 14:34 by Tony Lauck
RE: On the insignificance of significant results and listener training - Pat D 18:43:18 10/22/09 (0) "My thinking on the results of such testing" ::major rant:: - Analog Scott 10:19:22 10/20/09 (8) RE: "My thinking on the results of such testing" ::major rant:: - Don Till 05:41:52 10/21/09 (6) Preliminary reconaissance has reported... - Presto 16:53:54 10/22/09 (5) RE: Preliminary reconnaissance has reported... - theaudiohobby 03:14:44 10/26/09 (4) "...the wider audio community..." - kerr 09:43:44 10/28/09 (0) Is there any chance that you'll follow the example set by some like-minded former members... - carcass93 09:25:14 10/26/09 (2) RE: BassNut was so entertaining - theaudiohobby 09:49:47 10/26/09 (1) IMO, it was wrong to ban him - makes this place duller. - carcass93 10:55:31 10/26/09 (0) Exactly... - mkuller 10:54:38 10/20/09 (0) I only care that . . . - caspian@peak.org 14:13:44 10/18/09 (1) It's not the engineers' ears... - Tony Lauck 14:34:19 11/09/09 (0) RE: On the insignificance of significant results and listener training - Ugly 12:49:51 10/18/09 (5) Would such data really be useful to anyone other than those selling and marketing equipment? - Don Till 17:18:00 10/18/09 (4) To the extent that "good enough" hadn't been achived... - Ugly 02:55:27 10/19/09 (3) A tower of babel - Tony Lauck 08:45:44 10/19/09 (2) You're probably right. - Ugly 00:46:58 10/20/09 (1) RE: You're probably right. - Tony Lauck 07:56:54 10/20/09 (0) On the insignificance of senseless babble.... - bjh 07:44:51 10/18/09 (0)
	Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t	Ugly 10-22-2009 01:13	82	11-4-2009 12:54 by Stephæn
Almost everything - Bill Way 21:07:56 10/29/09 (0) RE: Trick Question. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 19:49:47 10/24/09 (2) RE: Trick Question. - Ugly 01:23:29 10/28/09 (0) RE: Trick Question. - Jon Risch 21:08:33 10/25/09 (0) if it can be heard it can be measured - Analog Scott 12:16:24 10/24/09 (12) Of course it can be measured; we just have not figured out how to do so yet. - Norm 20:02:40 11/03/09 (0) So...... - Todd Krieger 19:03:57 10/24/09 (10) RE: So...... - Analog Scott 10:34:46 10/25/09 (7) RE: So...... - Todd Krieger 14:53:59 10/26/09 (3) RE: So...... - Analog Scott 19:33:38 10/26/09 (2) RE: So...... - Todd Krieger 00:26:30 10/28/09 (1) RE: So...... - Analog Scott 04:10:04 10/28/09 (0) Nitty Gritty - Jon Risch 21:06:48 10/25/09 (2) RE: Nitty Gritty - Curly Woods 10:13:28 11/03/09 (0) Yep. everything you said. nt - Analog Scott 22:06:36 10/25/09 (0) Define "nice"? - clifff 05:21:42 10/25/09 (1) Gads..................... - Todd Krieger 14:48:43 10/26/09 (0) Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt) - Stephæn 07:12:01 10/23/09 (6) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt) - benie 00:31:04 11/01/09 (0) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt - gymwear5@hotmail.com 19:32:13 10/24/09 (4) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt - Curly Woods 10:21:52 11/03/09 (0) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt - Stephæn 07:21:49 10/25/09 (2) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt - Curly Woods 15:00:33 11/03/09 (1) RE: Sense of venue. Image placement and density. Soundstage depth. Tonal saturation. Textural palpability. (mt - Stephæn 12:54:05 11/04/09 (0) I think most of the tools are there... - morricab 01:48:53 10/23/09 (4) So humans are just another block - Ugly 01:12:17 10/28/09 (1) RE: So humans are just another block - morricab 14:54:16 10/28/09 (0) RE: I think most of the tools are there... - rick_m 06:44:50 10/23/09 (1) RE: I think most of the tools are there... - morricab 14:56:13 10/28/09 (0) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - Todd Krieger 22:44:55 10/22/09 (1) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - Ugly 01:52:22 10/30/09 (0) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - Robert Hamel 19:23:46 10/22/09 (4) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - Ugly 00:30:59 10/28/09 (0) Correlation - exactly - E-Stat 19:37:22 10/22/09 (2) RE: Correlation - exactly - tomservo 14:53:46 10/23/09 (1) Another example - E-Stat 07:38:21 10/26/09 (0) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - tomservo 13:32:51 10/22/09 (1) RE: Are there aspects of audible sound which cannot be measured with current tech? If so please describe. n/t - Ugly 00:34:54 10/28/09 (0) Unless you can build a "feel-o-meter"... - Presto 12:53:52 10/22/09 (2) RE: Unless you can build a "feel-o-meter"... - Ugly 00:57:15 10/28/09 (0) Hmm.... - kerr 13:36:02 10/22/09 (0) Gestalt, resolution, organization, structure, propulsion and drive. nt - Don Till 11:00:59 10/22/09 (22) Reply to Don Till, geoffkait, and mkuller here. - Ugly 14:53:47 10/22/09 (21) RE: Reply to Don Till, geoffkait, and mkuller here. - morricab 14:39:05 10/28/09 (0) Generally speaking..... - Don Till 14:27:56 10/25/09 (17) RE: Generally speaking..... - Ugly 00:14:58 10/28/09 (16) RE: Generally speaking..... - Don Till 18:14:55 10/29/09 (6) RE: Generally speaking..... - Ugly 02:57:13 10/30/09 (5) On turntables.... - Don Till 05:55:40 10/30/09 (4) RE: On turntables.... - Ugly 11:24:33 10/30/09 (3) In a hifi rag I once read.... - Don Till 13:32:17 10/30/09 (2) RE: In a hifi rag I once read.... - morricab 09:45:48 11/03/09 (0) RE: In a hifi rag I once read.... - Tony Lauck 08:51:58 10/31/09 (0) RE: Generally speaking..... - morricab 14:51:27 10/28/09 (3) RE: Generally speaking..... - Ugly 02:39:56 10/30/09 (2) RE: Generally speaking..... - morricab 06:59:29 10/30/09 (1) RE: Generally speaking..... - Ugly 10:37:15 10/30/09 (0) RE: Generally speaking..... - geoffkait 05:58:02 10/28/09 (4) RE: Generally speaking..... - Ugly 02:12:50 10/30/09 (3) Tower of Babble - Tony Lauck 09:09:58 10/31/09 (2) RE: Tower of Babble - Ugly 23:16:20 11/01/09 (1) RE: Tower of Babble - Tony Lauck 06:39:46 11/02/09 (0) Perhaps you might reveal the terms that you use as a basis for - bjh 04:18:45 10/23/09 (1) RE: Perhaps you might reveal the terms that you use as a basis for - Ugly 23:57:16 10/27/09 (0) Grain, glare, wetness, air, soundstage height. nt - geoffkait 10:44:25 10/22/09 (0) PRAT, emotional involvement, imaging/soundstage reproduction, dynamic contrasts...(nt) - mkuller 10:12:42 10/22/09 (10) RE: PRAT, emotional involvement, imaging/soundstage reproduction, dynamic contrasts...(nt) - Pat D 18:18:50 10/22/09 (9) RE: PRAT, emotional involvement, imaging/soundstage reproduction, dynamic contrasts...(nt) - andy19191 01:21:11 10/23/09 (7) Wrong again with the word "beliefs" - Sordidman 13:00:49 10/23/09 (3) "Belief" - that's just his pet term - E-Stat 14:16:12 10/26/09 (0) "hurt your credibility" - in this case, it's more like a well-known phenomenon,... - carcass93 13:53:31 10/23/09 (1) Ha, based on the evidence in his posts: you are likely correct -t - Sordidman 14:50:37 10/23/09 (0) RE: PRAT, emotional involvement, imaging/soundstage reproduction, dynamic contrasts...(nt) - Pat D 01:49:59 10/23/09 (2) PRaT meter - FenderLover 12:51:38 10/23/09 (1) RE: PRaT meter - Pat D 14:18:34 10/23/09 (0) So you say... - mkuller 18:27:26 10/22/09 (0) Satisfaction. nt - bjh 04:49:01 10/22/09 (5) Satisfaction is not in the equipment, it is in you. - Pat D 16:42:27 10/22/09 (2) I believe this statement is attributed to Cher. nt - geoffkait 05:09:25 10/23/09 (0) RE: Satisfaction is not in the equipment, it is in you. - bjh 18:29:23 10/22/09 (0) RE: Satisfaction. nt - Ugly 14:13:59 10/22/09 (1) Satisfaction... - musetap 17:51:38 10/22/09 (0)
	Is A Golden Ear, Special Hearing Abilities & A Trained Ear The Same Thing?	thetubeguy1954 10-17-2009 10:40	40	11-3-2009 14:41 by Curly Woods
I Don't Know............. - Todd Krieger 17:40:15 10/17/09 (11) "trained ear" - FenderLover 23:57:34 10/17/09 (10) RE: "trained ear" - thetubeguy1954 06:06:39 10/18/09 (9) You are correct, sir! - geoffkait 07:49:57 10/18/09 (8) RE: You are correct, sir! - Ugly 13:20:21 10/18/09 (1) RE: You are correct, sir! - Curly Woods 14:41:57 11/03/09 (0) To various degrees and more! - Don Till 09:07:57 10/18/09 (0) The best system I've heard... - Tony Lauck 08:57:19 10/18/09 (4) RE: "The best system I've heard is Symphony Hall, Boston" - geoffkait 10:12:38 10/18/09 (3) RE: "The best system I've heard is Symphony Hall, Boston" - otari 20:23:21 10/18/09 (2) RE: "The best system I've heard is Symphony Hall, Boston" - Pat D 18:06:40 10/19/09 (1) Uh, oh - geoffkait 07:36:55 10/20/09 (0) The trained listener is always a Golden Ear while someone who can hear better... - Don Till 14:29:48 10/17/09 (0) I'd say your assessments are spot on. - kerr 13:23:38 10/17/09 (1) Thanks Kerr - thetubeguy1954 14:30:56 10/17/09 (0) Wow ... you figure your drek is worth recounting! - bjh 13:07:11 10/17/09 (2) "If you ask me..." - I don't recall anybody asking you. - carcass93 18:30:46 10/18/09 (1) Come now, don't waste your energy on this foolishness, - bjh 20:16:34 10/18/09 (0) RE: Is A Golden Ear, Special Hearing Abilities & A Trained Ear The Same Thing? - Tony Lauck 12:15:31 10/17/09 (21) Almost but... - Don Till 14:54:00 10/17/09 (19) RE: Almost but... - Tony Lauck 15:38:20 10/17/09 (18) RE: Almost but... - Don Till 07:19:02 10/18/09 (0) RE: Almost but... - theaudiohobby 03:20:27 10/18/09 (16) RE: Almost but... - Don Till 07:32:09 10/18/09 (15) "the shallowest of friendships..." - robert young 18:58:24 10/18/09 (14) RE: "the shallowest of friendships..." - Don Till 05:34:56 10/19/09 (13) don't read so much into my coment. - robert young 06:08:03 10/19/09 (12) RE: don't read so much into my coment. - Don Till 10:40:34 10/19/09 (11) Hmmm. Hard to resist responding. - robert young 10:58:04 10/19/09 (10) more fun in the modern world - Don Till 12:27:28 10/19/09 (9) I'm posting back so you can't erase the crap you just wrote. - robert young 12:33:08 10/19/09 (8) LOL! - Don Till 15:17:54 10/19/09 (7) Glad to relieve you of at least some of your troubling anger. - robert young 15:33:40 10/19/09 (6) BTW... - Don Till 16:23:54 10/19/09 (0) On the contrary.... - Don Till 16:03:42 10/19/09 (4) You assumed incorrectly right from the start. - robert young 16:59:55 10/19/09 (3) RE: You assumed incorrectly right from the start. - Don Till 21:42:58 10/19/09 (2) A last reply from me - then you can have the last word. - robert young 03:53:46 10/20/09 (1) RE: A last reply from me - then you can have the last word. - Don Till 06:58:47 10/20/09 (0) Eloquently Stated - thetubeguy1954 14:06:01 10/17/09 (0)
	Using Live, Unamplified Music As A Reference Standard, Is It A Subjectivist's Or An Objectivist's Approach?	thetubeguy1954 10-20-2009 13:51	25	10-29-2009 17:57 by Don Till
RE: Using Live, Unamplified Music As A Reference Standard, Is It A Subjectivist's Or An Objectivist's Approach? - Presto 21:33:58 10/21/09 (7) RE: Using Live, Unamplified Music As A Reference Standard, Is It A Subjectivist's Or An Objectivist's Approach - morricab 16:55:51 10/25/09 (5) I understand - Don Till 19:49:23 10/25/09 (4) RE: I understand - morricab 14:55:57 10/27/09 (3) RE: I understand - Don Till 16:06:35 10/27/09 (2) RE: I understand - morricab 15:21:18 10/28/09 (1) I am happy for you! - Don Till 17:57:24 10/29/09 (0) Agree with Presto 100% - Halcroman 05:14:13 10/24/09 (0) RE: Using Live, Unamplified Music As A Reference Standard, Is It A Subjectivist's Or An Objectivist's Approach? - Ugly 12:21:32 10/21/09 (0) It Is Extremely Difficult To............. - Todd Krieger 19:57:18 10/20/09 (0) RE: Using Live, Unamplified Music As A Reference Standard, Is It A Subjectivist's Or An Objectivist's Approach? - tomservo 16:07:13 10/20/09 (7) I think you missed his point - E-Stat 10:20:50 10/21/09 (6) RE: I think you missed his point - tomservo 10:49:24 10/21/09 (5) Sorry if I misunderstood - E-Stat 11:04:35 10/21/09 (4) RE: Sorry if I misunderstood - tomservo 07:51:19 10/22/09 (3) There is an irony - E-Stat 08:11:08 10/22/09 (2) RE: There is an irony - tomservo 08:39:26 10/22/09 (1) Slightly different approach - E-Stat 09:08:03 10/22/09 (0) You're on to something... - mkuller 14:57:02 10/20/09 (6) RE: You're on to something... - Pat D 19:22:30 10/20/09 (5) RE: You're on to something... - Don Till 21:33:38 10/20/09 (3) RE: You're on to something... - Tony Lauck 11:55:20 10/21/09 (2) Nice! - Don Till 15:59:50 10/21/09 (1) RE: Nice! - Tony Lauck 17:02:31 10/21/09 (0) I'm aware... - mkuller 21:11:59 10/20/09 (0)
	another "live music as a reference" question	BillyBuck 10-26-2009 01:00	13	10-29-2009 16:34 by Don Till
RE: another "live music as a reference" question - Analog Scott 19:24:36 10/26/09 (2) You just can't ignore the recordings.... - Don Till 20:08:02 10/26/09 (1) RE: You just can't ignore the recordings.... - Analog Scott 08:40:03 10/27/09 (0) RE: another "live music as a reference" question - Todd Krieger 14:02:54 10/26/09 (0) So true! - Don Till 10:16:16 10/26/09 (8) True indeed - kerr 10:56:02 10/26/09 (7) Yea but hows that different than having heard Led Zeppelin live 30 times.... - Don Till 15:29:52 10/26/09 (6) RE: Yea but hows that different than having heard Led Zeppelin live 30 times.... - kerr 17:06:15 10/26/09 (5) RE: Yea but hows that different than having heard Led Zeppelin live 30 times.... - Don Till 05:02:13 10/27/09 (4) RE: Yea but hows that different than having heard Led Zeppelin live 30 times.... - morricab 14:27:41 10/28/09 (3) Damned if I do or damned if I don't! - Don Till 17:15:16 10/28/09 (2) Who's damning you? - kerr 18:04:49 10/28/09 (1) RE: Who's damning you? - Don Till 16:34:40 10/29/09 (0)
	DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components	thetubeguy1954 10-16-2009 15:54	23	10-22-2009 18:21 by Pat D
RE: DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components - Dan Banquer 09:49:48 10/17/09 (0) RE: DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components - tomservo 17:35:25 10/16/09 (10) RE: DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components - thetubeguy1954 17:27:00 10/17/09 (1) RE: DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components - tomservo 07:33:27 10/18/09 (0) RE: DBT's in 2007 Prove People Can Detect Differences In Audio Components - Pat D 05:01:14 10/17/09 (7) That's OK... I guess we'll have to live with reality of you not being convinced. - carcass93 18:37:41 10/18/09 (1) Ahh, but I supplied reasons, and you ignore those. (nt) - Pat D 18:21:32 10/22/09 (0) I am not convinced these were double blind tests. - Analog Scott 11:40:58 10/17/09 (4) Analog It Also Proves LFOs Will Find A Problem With Every Blind A/B Test - thetubeguy1954 14:55:40 10/17/09 (3) I've called them on cherry picking numerous times - Analog Scott 15:50:58 10/17/09 (2) Falsely. - Pat D 17:38:50 10/17/09 (1) Wrong - Analog Scott 18:53:21 10/17/09 (0) Are ten sets of ears statistically significant? - Ugly 16:27:56 10/16/09 (10) Number of ears is irrelevant - Analog Scott 11:43:50 10/17/09 (0) I suspect that they are . . . - caspian@peak.org 19:31:52 10/16/09 (8) RE: I suspect that they are . . . - Ugly 21:58:38 10/16/09 (7) 95% confidence level. nt - Analog Scott 11:45:44 10/17/09 (4) 95% confidence is required for proof, or a single trial with 10 sets of ears gives 95% confidence? - Ugly 00:11:45 10/18/09 (3) who said anything about single trials? - Analog Scott 09:11:52 10/18/09 (2) I don't know. me? - Ugly 12:52:06 10/18/09 (1) OK - Analog Scott 19:21:39 10/18/09 (0) Valid question - caspian@peak.org 07:43:00 10/17/09 (1) RE: Valid question - Ugly 00:36:12 10/18/09 (0)
	It's Impossible To Have An Intelligent Discussion With Intellectually Dishonest People	thetubeguy1954 10-12-2009 15:27	92	10-19-2009 11:45 by Hepcat
I don't think it is, but the irony here is... - Ugly 16:20:22 10/16/09 (0) Let's Discuss - Diode 14:28:56 10/16/09 (1) I'm confident and I'm not lying. - Hepcat 11:45:29 10/19/09 (0) RE: It's Impossible To Have An Intelligent Discussion With Intellectually Dishonest People - Presto 21:24:20 10/15/09 (4) Hey I had an idea - Presto 09:17:40 10/16/09 (3) Wrong comparison - E-Stat 15:27:18 10/16/09 (0) I think this is the forum you're suggesting, right here...(nt) - mkuller 10:12:01 10/16/09 (1) I know this is the main theatre for the war but... - Presto 15:05:44 10/16/09 (0) Richard is Dishonest? - Hepcat 11:52:08 10/15/09 (24) Not Necessarily................. - Todd Krieger 18:24:14 10/15/09 (2) Define "superhuman" - Don Till 12:03:42 10/16/09 (1) I Can't............. - Todd Krieger 18:21:49 10/17/09 (0) Where Did I Say Richard is Dishonest? - thetubeguy1954 16:07:33 10/15/09 (20) RE: Where Did I Say Richard is Dishonest? - Stephæn 06:54:36 10/16/09 (1) RE: Where Did I Say Richard is Dishonest? - thetubeguy1954 09:09:47 10/16/09 (0) That's a rather disingenuous reply - mls-stl 20:31:25 10/15/09 (17) RE: That's a rather disingenuous reply - thetubeguy1954 05:51:39 10/16/09 (16) The poster doth protest too much, methinks. - mls-stl 11:54:07 10/16/09 (2) You Chose To Single RBNG Out & Then Use Shakespeare To Defend Your Actions --Hypocrite! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:56:01 10/16/09 (1) I'm sure... - mls-stl 14:16:07 10/16/09 (0) Indeed! - Don Till 06:28:29 10/16/09 (12) Yes Indeed! - thetubeguy1954 10:30:38 10/16/09 (9) RBNG LOVE - Don Till 11:49:12 10/16/09 (8) RBNG LOVE - thetubeguy1954 15:49:31 10/16/09 (7) You didn't really answer the question! - Don Till 18:31:35 10/16/09 (6) Yes, he did! nt - Tony Lauck 11:48:08 10/17/09 (3) You must be having a bad day Tony! - Don Till 13:58:19 10/17/09 (2) I think not... - Tony Lauck 15:05:01 10/17/09 (1) I'll let you update the Absolute Sound and Wikipedia on your findings! - Don Till 17:21:52 10/17/09 (0) Yes I Did! You Just Didn't Like My Answers!!!!! - thetubeguy1954 10:48:36 10/17/09 (1) Your subjective take on "Golden Ears" is not a definition. Here is a definition of Golden Ear.. - Don Till 13:53:22 10/17/09 (0) Personally, I'd say it's intellectually dishonest... - mkuller 10:19:15 10/16/09 (1) On the contrary... - Don Till 11:09:32 10/16/09 (0) I Wouldn't Go There............... - Todd Krieger 20:22:20 10/13/09 (0) Everyone likes to think of themselves as intelligent, right? -nt - soulfood 14:40:28 10/13/09 (22) RE: Everyone likes to think of themselves as intelligent, right? -nt - andy19191 16:09:26 10/13/09 (21) Andy, this study has your name... - mkuller 11:05:24 10/14/09 (0) We all would be really grateful, if you could restrict.... - carcass93 08:11:01 10/14/09 (9) RE: We all would be really grateful, if you could restrict.... - andy19191 13:54:03 10/14/09 (8) You are clearly anti-audiophile regardless of your protestations and belong with AJ and Mr. Nut...(nt) - mkuller 13:59:03 10/14/09 (7) RE: You are clearly anti-audiophile regardless of your protestations and belong with AJ and Mr. Nut...(nt) - andy19191 14:45:53 10/14/09 (6) RE: You are clearly anti-audiophile regardless of your protestations and belong with AJ and Mr. Nut...(nt) - anthonyh 09:39:23 10/15/09 (2) To try to feel superior to us audiophiles... - mkuller 12:15:05 10/15/09 (1) I am reminded of the conversation a while back - E-Stat 06:23:49 10/16/09 (0) You're right - kerr 16:31:07 10/14/09 (0) Maybe it's a British vernacular thing, but - E-Stat 16:18:36 10/14/09 (0) I don't regard you as a threat... - mkuller 15:02:46 10/14/09 (0) RE: Everyone likes to think of themselves as intelligent, right? -nt - morricab 04:11:41 10/14/09 (1) Like others here - E-Stat 06:51:08 10/14/09 (0) Let me guess which category you think you're in...LOL! (nt) - mkuller 19:09:42 10/13/09 (0) I was afraid something like this was going to happen. nt - geoffkait 16:43:53 10/13/09 (2) I did not doubt it would happen for a moment. nt - Tony Lauck 19:24:16 10/13/09 (0) RE: I was afraid something like this was going to happen. nt - andy19191 16:46:55 10/13/09 (0) Oh dear. (nt) - robert young 16:14:13 10/13/09 (3) RE: Oh dear. (nt) - andy19191 16:45:27 10/13/09 (2) Oh dear, again....:). (nt) - robert young 16:52:59 10/13/09 (0) Not to worry - kerr 16:51:44 10/13/09 (0) Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn nt - bjh 13:40:12 10/13/09 (0) Hmmm... Looks like "multiple monikers" policy IS enforced, after all (talking about Bob. Nut)... - carcass93 11:13:45 10/13/09 (0) Yes, it is. - kerr 05:03:06 10/13/09 (4) No pun on one of those verbs, er nouns? :) -nt - E-Stat 13:53:00 10/13/09 (3) Sorry, not picking up your meaning - kerr 16:54:28 10/13/09 (2) Our names are similar, but - E-Stat 17:20:35 10/13/09 (1) Ok - got it. - kerr 04:23:57 10/14/09 (0) RE: It's Impossible To Have An Intelligent Discussion With Intellectually Dishonest People - andy19191 02:07:26 10/13/09 (8) Nothing is made up - go to HA, and read an arbitrary thread involving cables as subject, for instance. - carcass93 10:51:17 10/13/09 (7) RE: Nothing is made up - go to HA, and read an arbitrary thread involving cables as subject, for instance. - andy19191 16:13:21 10/13/09 (6) RE: Nothing is made up - go to HA, and read an arbitrary thread involving cables as subject, for instance. - thetubeguy1954 13:47:20 10/14/09 (0) In other words, you're asking for proof. - carcass93 20:55:28 10/13/09 (4) RE: In other words, you're asking for proof. - andy19191 13:16:15 10/14/09 (0) Why should we look for evidence for your assertions? (nt) - Pat D 08:28:20 10/14/09 (2) Simple answers are often the most powerful - kerr 09:20:35 10/14/09 (0) Here you go with "No understand any English", Pat - again. N/T - carcass93 08:35:47 10/14/09 (0) Aren't you the guy who denys the color of an LED matters! - Don Till 20:32:36 10/12/09 (5) Yes I Am! - thetubeguy1954 13:32:52 10/13/09 (3) Nice response! - Don Till 22:43:03 10/13/09 (2) Yes It Was :^) - thetubeguy1954 14:04:08 10/14/09 (1) RE: Yes It Was :^) - Don Till 11:25:57 10/15/09 (0) "conversation with intellectually dishonest people" - after reading your post,... - carcass93 12:04:20 10/13/09 (0) Why not just measure the darn wires???!!! - caspian@peak.org 19:11:24 10/12/09 (9) Damn tootin' - rick_m 08:26:33 10/13/09 (2) Damn tootin' Indeed! - Don Till 15:40:44 10/13/09 (1) RE: Damn tootin' Indeed! - rick_m 19:28:25 10/13/09 (0) Would that we had such useful measures! It is like THD, useless! nt - Norm 06:11:47 10/13/09 (0) Why even bother? - Don Till 21:16:00 10/12/09 (0) RE: Why not just measure the darn wires???!!! - Tony Lauck 19:26:30 10/12/09 (3) Great Observation Tony - thetubeguy1954 14:02:05 10/13/09 (0) RE: Why not just measure the darn wires???!!! - caspian@peak.org 12:33:33 10/13/09 (1) RE: Why not just measure the darn wires???!!! - Tony Lauck 13:14:33 10/13/09 (0) So why bother? This forum is just a place to waste your time like "outside." nt - Norm 16:07:57 10/12/09 (1) Nice to see you guys back at it - LarryB 10:52:44 10/14/09 (0)
	Pro's In The Know - Power Cords	Jon Risch 10-1-2009 19:39	161	10-16-2009 22:08 by Ugly
....far too many to deny - Grant 08:34:32 10/09/09 (6) RE: ....far too many to deny - Todd Krieger 20:37:08 10/13/09 (0) Great post!... sometimes the obvious is so hard to see... - musetap 12:49:27 10/10/09 (1) RE:"There's nothing wrong with initially being skeptical but something seriously wrong with staying that way." - geoffkait 12:08:17 10/12/09 (0) Yep! - Don Till 12:15:56 10/09/09 (0) Skywalker... - mkuller 10:24:43 10/09/09 (1) RE: Skywalker... - Grant 10:52:18 10/09/09 (0) Well, I think your not going far enough - tesla 06:38:04 10/08/09 (4) $178 well spent IMO - Sordidman 09:04:53 10/08/09 (3) With that—PHP has now reached the end of its useful life… - Wellfed 22:05:48 10/08/09 (2) Thanks Wellfed........ Cheers -t - Sordidman 11:46:41 10/09/09 (1) De nada… - Wellfed 12:06:54 10/09/09 (0) I think this issue has already been resolved. - Don Till 13:02:10 10/05/09 (65) In whose mind? - Jon Risch 21:47:49 10/06/09 (7) Who's calling for SOTA power supply? - Don Till 08:10:35 10/08/09 (0) RE: In whose mind? - briggs 12:08:15 10/07/09 (3) In their homes decades ago... - E-Stat 15:55:36 10/07/09 (2) RE: In their homes decades ago... - briggs 08:55:13 10/09/09 (0) Sure but such conditions existed in test and communications environments decades ago - Don Till 07:49:18 10/08/09 (0) RE: In whose mind? - john curl 09:16:58 10/07/09 (1) Why is everything so dagnabbed complicated all the time?… - Wellfed 09:49:48 10/07/09 (0) If "issue has already been resolved", there should be some "properly designed" components out there. - carcass93 10:04:14 10/06/09 (7) I think there should be but whether or not there is is another question. - Don Till 11:25:49 10/06/09 (6) So - no examples of such components? It's disappointing. - carcass93 11:36:11 10/06/09 (5) My experiences are similar to yours though I haven't tested all of my gear! - Don Till 12:10:40 10/06/09 (4) Well, in that case I must conclude that sometimes, reading doesn't help. - carcass93 12:25:27 10/06/09 (3) it's an imperfect world - Tony Lauck 14:53:24 10/06/09 (2) I believe JR's reply above deals with it all sufficiently. N/T - carcass93 08:21:09 10/07/09 (0) "perhaps no one knows how to "properly" design this gear." - kerr 17:07:04 10/06/09 (0) Yeah, by you! - bjh 09:00:11 10/06/09 (0) I thought the prevailing theory was that... - Ugly 14:58:28 10/05/09 (8) I suppose you could look at it that way! - Don Till 17:00:39 10/05/09 (3) RE: I suppose you could look at it that way! - Ugly 19:53:40 10/05/09 (2) But really now we should know the cost savings doesn't go into R&D or making... - Don Till 12:48:18 10/06/09 (1) Maybe, maybe not. The problem I have when I've purchased products where... - Ugly 14:35:46 10/06/09 (0) Power cords are transducers, antennas, filters, resonators, as well as cords. - Al Sekela 15:21:36 10/05/09 (3) Ah yes, transducers... - Ugly 16:29:54 10/05/09 (2) You said it yourself: - Al Sekela 15:56:37 10/06/09 (1) Cord safety regulatory compliance can be a real bear, can't it? - Ugly 13:23:33 10/07/09 (0) What you really should've said is "I already stated (many times) before my POV on the subject". - carcass93 13:15:38 10/05/09 (38) As if power cords "work" because they magically solve something unknown or mysterious - Don Till 14:55:15 10/05/09 (37) You just demonstrate your ignorance, and silly habit of contradicting anything and anyone. - carcass93 15:22:46 10/05/09 (36) You nailed him. He is just another representative of the "we know everything" school of EE and not physics. nt - Norm 15:29:09 10/05/09 (35) Electrical engineering is applied physics and.... - Don Till 16:45:07 10/05/09 (33) "get yourself an iota of respect" - is that why YOU are here? To earn respect? - carcass93 08:49:06 10/06/09 (1) That doesn't excuse ignoring the obvious in order to suggest the unknown! - Don Till 09:48:28 10/06/09 (0) Okay, some EEs didn't learn that their "laws" don't explain everything. - Norm 07:58:53 10/06/09 (30) That's true.... - Don Till 11:06:10 10/06/09 (29) We are not too far apart. - Norm 08:22:33 10/07/09 (28) Right but there is a significant difference - Don Till 10:24:55 10/07/09 (18) Yes, there is a significant differences - Norm 12:15:09 10/07/09 (17) RE: Yes, there is a significant differences - morricab 03:53:59 10/12/09 (14) Hey! Hold up thar! - rick_m 10:34:03 10/12/09 (13) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - morricab 04:32:33 10/14/09 (2) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - rick_m 14:01:50 10/14/09 (1) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - morricab 07:10:38 10/15/09 (0) Yes, it would wrongly exclude many outstanding pcs. nt - Norm 06:15:05 10/13/09 (1) Nah. I didn't say to dismiss the cords... - rick_m 06:55:33 10/13/09 (0) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - Tony Lauck 19:13:14 10/12/09 (7) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - Ugly 22:31:27 10/14/09 (4) RE: Hey! Hold up thar! - Tony Lauck 07:37:18 10/15/09 (3) Thanks for the interesting insight. - Ugly 16:46:30 10/16/09 (2) RE: who can see things from both sides of the fence - rick_m 18:17:54 10/16/09 (1) RE: who can see things from both sides of the fence - Ugly 22:08:56 10/16/09 (0) RE: Nature... - rick_m 07:05:19 10/13/09 (0) Nicely said. nt - Norm 06:16:16 10/13/09 (0) It's not arrogant to take a reasoned approach - as opposed to jumping in on some whimsical notion - Don Till 07:25:51 10/08/09 (1) It's not arrogant to take a reasoned approach - as opposed to assuming we know everything. nt - Norm 16:20:20 10/08/09 (0) Eggs-actly! - geoffkait 09:06:40 10/07/09 (8) RE: Eggs-actly! - Ugly 13:46:40 10/07/09 (2) RE: "Perhaps some sort of thermal/ black body radiation thing going on here?" - geoffkait 14:41:24 10/07/09 (1) RE: "Perhaps some sort of thermal/ black body radiation thing going on here?" - Ugly 09:38:50 10/08/09 (0) RE: Eggs-actly! - Don Till 10:33:41 10/07/09 (2) RE: "Is it possible the other two disks somehow got a dose of the chip?" - geoffkait 16:47:51 10/07/09 (0) At least you're trying… - Wellfed 10:39:12 10/07/09 (0) They'd tell you to get your ass back over to Iso… - Wellfed 09:53:44 10/07/09 (0) I was an undergraduate assistant in a physics lab. - Norm 09:20:09 10/07/09 (0) Sorry Norm your reading and comprehension seems somewhat challenged today - Don Till 16:01:19 10/05/09 (0) The impact of a post here can be judged by the number of calls for proof. - bjh 20:01:12 10/03/09 (2) Prove it! - Analog Scott 01:38:14 10/04/09 (1) Touché - bjh 04:14:06 10/04/09 (0) I had dinner last evening with a studio musician - Bambi B 11:17:24 10/03/09 (18) Brilliant Comment..................... - Todd Krieger 19:24:05 10/03/09 (17) I've been into high end audio for 40 years... - Hepcat 06:36:05 10/04/09 (15) RE: I've been into high end audio for 40 years... - Todd Krieger 20:03:17 10/13/09 (0) So why did you back away from YOUR OWN challenge below? - carcass93 08:13:58 10/05/09 (5) I tried the coat hanger thing - kerr 11:26:57 10/05/09 (4) You tried it in wrong application - you were supposed to make a POWER CORD of it, and... - carcass93 11:31:48 10/05/09 (3) RE: You tried it in wrong application - you were supposed to make a POWER CORD of it, and... - kerr 12:52:38 10/05/09 (2) Exactly. I would also mention timing belt, as in Beltian tweeks. - carcass93 13:07:13 10/05/09 (1) RE: Exactly. I would also mention timing belt, as in Beltian tweeks. - kerr 13:18:54 10/05/09 (0) RE: "I've been into high end audio for 40 years" - geoffkait 07:17:50 10/04/09 (0) Its a shame that in your forty years - E-Stat 07:14:40 10/04/09 (6) I love Dr. Cooledge. - Hepcat 09:46:42 10/04/09 (5) So, you know know JWC - E-Stat 10:54:24 10/04/09 (4) After-market power cords. - Hepcat 13:21:43 10/04/09 (3) You have a ground loop problem - E-Stat 13:34:24 10/04/09 (2) I keep Parts Express cable isolation transformers... - Hepcat 18:44:49 10/06/09 (1) Back to the topic... - E-Stat 06:04:17 10/07/09 (0) Very gracious of you to say- thank you (nt) - Bambi B 20:21:15 10/03/09 (0) They're great! Where would the Who be without them? - Bruce Kendall 09:40:47 10/03/09 (2) LOL! Good one! - FenderLover 17:49:51 10/03/09 (0) The Who put both to fine use at various times... - musetap 09:52:13 10/03/09 (0) Would you bet me a million$ you could hear the difference. - Hepcat 10:45:08 10/02/09 (11) And I get tired of these kinds of posts.... - Jon Risch 19:58:37 10/04/09 (2) "Perhaps you are not familiar with me" - andy_c 19:53:26 10/07/09 (1) What happened to all the other drunken cynics when the Annex closed it's doors?… - Wellfed 22:16:01 10/08/09 (0) $1000? I would - if it's reciprocal, and involves my system, my listening room, and recordings of my choice. - carcass93 11:05:29 10/02/09 (7) A power cord makes a difference? - Hepcat 11:22:23 10/02/09 (6) Hep, you're missing the point - E-Stat 13:54:00 10/02/09 (0) No idea - but we're talking about whether I (not you) hear a difference on MY (not your) system, right? - carcass93 11:42:30 10/02/09 (4) No sighted anything. - Hepcat 11:48:04 10/02/09 (3) If coat hanger wire is what you're using for POWER cord - that's fine, although probably not safe. - carcass93 12:04:47 10/02/09 (2) Well, maybe I was kidding about coat hanger wire. - Hepcat 12:18:28 10/02/09 (1) Better. You'd still have to make a cord of that - or you're thinking speaker cables? - carcass93 12:34:36 10/02/09 (0) It's about time term "objectionist" is introduced (apologies if it's not really new). - carcass93 10:29:10 10/02/09 (0) RE: Pro's In The Know - Power Cords - Peter H-son 09:39:16 10/02/09 (8) Please describe how you are a "subjectivist"... - mkuller 12:34:05 10/02/09 (7) It's like this... - bjh 11:12:10 10/03/09 (0) RE: Please describe how you are a "subjectivist"... - Peter H-son 13:20:50 10/02/09 (5) You shouldn't swipe photos from other member's posts and use - musetap 16:53:10 10/02/09 (0) This is a hobbyist newsgroup... - mkuller 13:29:40 10/02/09 (3) RE: This is a hobbyist newsgroup... - Peter H-son 05:57:13 10/03/09 (2) When you start sounding like an angry Joe Wilson... - mkuller 11:29:18 10/03/09 (1) RE: When you start sounding like an angry Joe Wilson... - Peter H-son 13:36:59 10/03/09 (0) Thanks I agree except........... - Awe-d-o-file 08:48:57 10/02/09 (1) Yep. - Hepcat 10:57:31 10/02/09 (0) To this I say... - KlausR. 01:23:53 10/02/09 (33) RE: "You won't convince the skeptics." - geoffkait 08:10:26 10/02/09 (2) RE: "You won't convince the skeptics." - Todd Krieger 16:01:23 10/03/09 (1) RE: "You won't convince the skeptics." - geoffkait 17:21:27 10/03/09 (0) "you won't convince the skeptics" - when will you understand that HE DOESN'T NEED to? - carcass93 08:05:22 10/02/09 (26) Do requests for evidence make you nervous? - Pat D 09:34:42 10/02/09 (24) No, but it is annoying that you don't attempt to answer the questions for yourself. - morricab 04:10:35 10/05/09 (21) So you want me to get an ABX comparator to test 'your' claims? - Pat D 12:08:19 10/06/09 (20) RE: So you want me to get an ABX comparator to test 'your' claims? - morricab 01:47:16 10/07/09 (0) If you are the one who demands evidence when one merely reports their perceptions then - Analog Scott 14:37:14 10/06/09 (18) You are simply confused. (nt) - Pat D 18:40:07 10/06/09 (17) well all else fails, good ole ad hominem - Analog Scott 23:12:25 10/06/09 (16) It was a simple statement of fact--and you agreed you are confused. - Pat D 10:30:30 10/07/09 (15) Didn't your mommy teach not to lie? - Analog Scott 11:58:21 10/07/09 (14) Quote from Analog Scott: "that makes me confused......" - Pat D 12:54:24 10/08/09 (13) Wow! You really are that dishonest - Analog Scott 21:09:35 10/08/09 (12) Pity you won't admit your misrepresentations. (nt) - Pat D 11:09:23 10/09/09 (11) are you trying to be ironic or is it a case of... - Analog Scott 10:44:56 10/10/09 (0) It is doubtful that anyone who reads this thread... - robert young 09:37:36 10/10/09 (9) RE: It is doubtful that anyone who reads this thread... - Pat D 10:29:04 10/13/09 (8) RE: It is doubtful that anyone who reads this thread... - morricab 04:39:44 10/14/09 (0) You chose to get involved. - robert young 10:31:32 10/13/09 (6) RE: You chose to get involved. - Pat D 13:48:45 10/13/09 (5) You've backtracked on being involved. - robert young 14:06:14 10/13/09 (4) You really are just making that up. (nt) - Pat D 08:30:49 10/14/09 (3) Nope. - robert young 17:11:58 10/14/09 (1) "Try again. " - Analog Scott 20:26:17 10/14/09 (0) No he isn't. - Analog Scott 10:05:21 10/14/09 (0) It has made me a recluse. - Analog Scott 13:05:16 10/02/09 (0) Nope. When - and if - I get nervous, you'll be one of the first to know about it. - carcass93 09:52:32 10/02/09 (0) Excellent post! (nt) - kerr 08:16:03 10/02/09 (0) thanks NT - tesla 07:59:35 10/02/09 (0) RE: Thanks... - theaudiohobby 01:32:36 10/02/09 (1) Who cares about the skeptics? I was more concerned about convincing the Amish. - Analog Scott 09:33:22 10/02/09 (0)
	Speaking of "pro" gear encounters	E-Stat 10-9-2009 17:54	3	10-16-2009 17:50 by Ugly
Maybe that's just this guys "sound". - Ugly 16:41:32 10/16/09 (2) My observation is not - E-Stat 17:08:07 10/16/09 (1) I definitely should have gone with a smiley. - Ugly 17:50:49 10/16/09 (0)

	Drivers is series is bad. Parallel good. Or is it? (Long)	Presto 10-15-2009 11:59	4	10-15-2009 21:04 by Presto
Let me restate the premise. - Presto 21:04:03 10/15/09 (0) RE: Drivers is series is bad. Parallel good. Or is it? (Long) - kurt s 20:15:59 10/15/09 (0) The primary reason . . . - caspian@peak.org 18:13:02 10/15/09 (0) RE: Drivers is series is bad. Parallel good. Or is it? (Long) - Tony Lauck 17:37:24 10/15/09 (0)
	L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests.	Al Sekela 9-7-2009 14:51	171	10-13-2009 03:20 by robert young
Like audio reviewers, I think wine tasters may be happy with their judgments, but I satisfy myself. - Norm 15:39:55 09/10/09 (18) I like Pepsi best only when it's sweet and not syrupy. - Don Till 22:01:29 09/16/09 (1) RE: I like Pepsi best only when it's sweet and not syrupy. - b.l.zeebub 09:54:30 09/17/09 (0) The Pepsi challenge is an excellent comparison to audio DBTs... - mkuller 21:16:27 09/10/09 (15) Kuller, you're such a subjectivist... - SF tech 14:23:45 09/17/09 (4) Makes about as much sense... - mkuller 14:34:07 09/17/09 (3) Good grief... Have you no sense of humor? nt - SF tech 14:46:52 09/17/09 (2) Come on...you know we Pepsi-loving subjectivists take ourselves pretty seriously...(nt) - mkuller 14:59:11 09/17/09 (1) :-) nt - SF tech 15:27:05 09/17/09 (0) They don't have to. - Analog Scott 09:47:22 09/12/09 (7) RE: They don't have to. - Tony Lauck 12:26:23 09/12/09 (6) RE: They don't have to. - Analog Scott 23:28:34 09/12/09 (0) The biggest problems seems to be... - mkuller 12:39:12 09/12/09 (4) Isn't every audition a forced choice? - Analog Scott 10:12:21 09/13/09 (3) No one is forcing you...(nt) - mkuller 10:44:47 09/13/09 (2) I think my point is being missed - Analog Scott 11:07:47 09/13/09 (1) Agreed...(nt) - mkuller 11:57:44 09/13/09 (0) RE: The Pepsi challenge is an excellent comparison to audio DBTs... - Todd Krieger 15:12:50 09/11/09 (0) RE: The Pepsi challenge is an excellent comparison to audio DBTs... - tomservo 08:29:42 09/11/09 (0) Apples and Oranges - Pat D 21:33:22 09/08/09 (124) ...are both sold by weight. - Al Sekela 16:16:56 09/09/09 (73) Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - mkuller 13:40:10 09/10/09 (72) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - Todd Krieger 14:26:11 09/10/09 (71) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - Pat D 17:54:51 09/10/09 (70) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - Todd Krieger 23:13:28 09/10/09 (8) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - theaudiohobby 05:47:58 09/11/09 (6) True Audio DBT, Explained................ - Todd Krieger 09:32:31 09/11/09 (3) RE: Weird................. - theaudiohobby 11:14:16 09/11/09 (2) For Those Bent on Proof and Accuracy, We Must Be Consistent............ - Todd Krieger 13:19:30 09/11/09 (1) RE: For Those Bent on Proof and Accuracy, We Must Be Consistent............ - theaudiohobby 13:36:12 09/11/09 (0) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - Tony Lauck 08:03:24 09/11/09 (1) RE: Thanks Tony -nt - theaudiohobby 10:26:02 09/11/09 (0) RE: Resolution? That would involve scientific validation... - Pat D 04:57:01 09/11/09 (0) Is that a strawman of your own construction? (nt) - mkuller 21:18:18 09/10/09 (60) ROFL: Sighted auditioning is hardly a straw man!! - Pat D 04:49:48 09/11/09 (59) RE: ROFL: Sighted auditioning is hardly a straw man!! - morricab 03:55:39 09/16/09 (0) According to J. Gordon Holt... - mkuller 10:30:46 09/11/09 (57) I'm sure J. Gordon Holt was a fine man, - Pat D 14:06:00 09/11/09 (53) Can you show me scientific validation... - mkuller 14:14:23 09/11/09 (52) Is sighted auditioning scientifically calibrated? - Pat D 15:45:17 09/12/09 (51) Then how about for the claim you made? - mkuller 10:54:57 09/13/09 (34) How can I believe or disbelieve a meaningless claim? - Pat D 07:00:12 09/14/09 (32) How do you calibrate an audio DBT? - mkuller 09:37:30 09/14/09 (31) Been there, done that. - Pat D 08:40:06 09/18/09 (30) So you're calibrating the listeners? - mkuller 10:55:36 09/18/09 (29) Ummmm . . . it's people who listen. (nt) - Pat D 13:33:58 09/20/09 (28) I think you've got it! - robert young 13:46:27 09/20/09 (27) Of course I do. - Pat D 19:19:45 09/20/09 (26) You don't get to re-write my question to fit your own agenda. - robert young 10:25:56 09/21/09 (24) You are just totally confused. - Pat D 12:01:28 09/21/09 (23) Not a bit, Pat, and I still don't accept you hijacking the question asked. - robert young 14:36:03 09/21/09 (22) RE: Worthwhile discussion - theaudiohobby 02:36:35 09/22/09 (17) If only it were a worthwhile discussion... - robert young 05:39:24 09/22/09 (16) Equipment isn't audible in itself, only in relation to listeners. - Pat D 08:41:48 09/22/09 (15) Try not to be such a twit, Pat. - robert young 09:27:15 09/22/09 (14) You are still confused. - Pat D 10:39:40 09/22/09 (13) No, Pat. But you can keep telling yourself that. - robert young 16:40:01 09/22/09 (12) RE: Surely the test design follows the test objectives. - theaudiohobby 05:14:47 09/23/09 (11) partially agree.... - robert young 06:05:04 09/23/09 (10) RE: calibration provide answers to a different question - theaudiohobby 07:32:20 09/23/09 (9) RE: calibration provide answers to a different question - robert young 08:36:08 09/23/09 (8) RE: calibration provide answers to a different question - theaudiohobby 15:31:57 09/23/09 (7) sorry, been away... - robert young 14:46:19 09/28/09 (6) RE: sorry, took a while to respond - theaudiohobby 02:37:04 09/30/09 (5) RE: sorry, took a while to respond - robert young 12:06:31 09/30/09 (4) RE: sorry, took a while to respond - theaudiohobby 13:10:11 10/11/09 (3) sorry, but you are quite incorrect. - robert young 14:52:43 10/11/09 (2) RE: sorry, but you are quite incorrect. - theaudiohobby 09:24:54 10/12/09 (1) RE: sorry, but you are quite incorrect. - robert young 03:20:38 10/13/09 (0) Well, if you can't ask a good question . . . - Pat D 19:08:17 09/21/09 (3) If you can't answer ANY question.... - robert young 19:30:34 09/21/09 (2) When questions contain contrary to fact assumptions or are illogical, they need restating. (nt) - Pat D 10:41:33 09/22/09 (1) Bullshit. - robert young 11:23:09 09/22/09 (0) Without validation and calibration of the test's sensitivity... - mkuller 19:34:31 09/20/09 (0) Good luck! - E-Stat 06:13:47 09/14/09 (0) Nope - kerr 18:55:36 09/12/09 (15) A Forum, not a Tribunal - Tony Lauck 13:27:27 09/13/09 (1) RE: A Forum, not a Tribunal - kerr 04:45:59 09/14/09 (0) You have to realize his arguements are circular and rely on semantics, rather than substance...(nt) - mkuller 11:59:05 09/13/09 (0) RE: Nope - Pat D 10:02:19 09/13/09 (11) Hmmm... - kerr 04:42:57 09/14/09 (10) Mkuller made a meaningless claim. - Pat D 07:02:38 09/14/09 (9) What makes it meaningless? - kerr 10:27:17 09/14/09 (8) As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - mkuller 11:37:22 09/14/09 (6) RE: As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - kerr 04:59:53 09/15/09 (5) RE: As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - Tony Lauck 11:44:41 09/15/09 (3) RE: As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - kerr 04:05:54 09/17/09 (0) RE: As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - morricab 04:13:09 09/16/09 (1) RE: As I said, he only argues semantics, not substance... - Tony Lauck 05:21:59 09/16/09 (0) One of mkuller's repeated refrains . . . - Pat D 08:01:12 09/15/09 (0) RE: What makes it meaningless? - Pat D 10:34:06 09/14/09 (0) And... - E-Stat 13:58:01 09/11/09 (2) RE: And... - Pat D 14:08:05 09/11/09 (1) That would be The Imperial Codec Wizards - E-Stat 14:37:07 09/11/09 (0) That's an "ABX" Test............. - Todd Krieger 01:07:52 09/09/09 (49) RE: That's an "ABX" Test............. - theaudiohobby 04:00:55 09/09/09 (48) Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - Todd Krieger 09:46:51 09/09/09 (34) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - theaudiohobby 11:21:33 09/09/09 (33) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - Todd Krieger 11:40:32 09/09/09 (32) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - theaudiohobby 12:10:55 09/09/09 (31) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - Todd Krieger 13:19:10 09/09/09 (30) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - theaudiohobby 14:14:10 09/09/09 (29) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - Todd Krieger 17:55:36 09/09/09 (28) RE: Link To My Original Post on "DBTs" in Audio............ - theaudiohobby 06:02:26 09/11/09 (27) You're Confusing "Blind" with "Double Blind".......... - Todd Krieger 13:06:38 09/11/09 (25) RE: I am not, you are .......... - theaudiohobby 13:48:47 09/11/09 (24) You two seem to be using different definitions of "double-blind.: - robert young 14:29:54 09/11/09 (23) RE: You two seem to be using different definitions of "double-blind.: - theaudiohobby 15:05:14 09/11/09 (7) What does that have to do with the medical definition of "double-blind??" - robert young 16:50:47 09/11/09 (6) RE: What does that have to do with the medical definition of "double-blind??" - theaudiohobby 16:34:57 09/12/09 (1) But you don't regress at all! On the contrary, you're at the heart of the matter! - robert young 06:24:57 09/13/09 (0) RE: My original assessment was correct..... - theaudiohobby 10:43:46 09/12/09 (3) Another cop-out. - robert young 11:27:50 09/12/09 (2) RE: I can see you are raring to go - theaudiohobby 15:35:16 09/12/09 (1) As Kerr posted below... - robert young 05:04:22 09/13/09 (0) RE: You two seem to be using different definitions of "double-blind.: - Todd Krieger 14:55:44 09/11/09 (14) Yep. Forced choice = potential for bias effect. - robert young 16:56:28 09/11/09 (12) RE: Yep. Forced choice = potential for bias effect. - mls-stl 08:55:08 09/14/09 (11) And I find interesting - E-Stat 15:14:23 09/14/09 (0) You're right... - robert young 09:21:42 09/14/09 (9) RE: You're right... - Tony Lauck 11:22:25 09/14/09 (5) RE: You're right... - mls-stl 14:58:17 09/14/09 (4) RE: You're right... - Tony Lauck 16:49:54 09/14/09 (1) RE: You're right... - mls-stl 17:10:05 09/14/09 (0) RE: You're right... - robert young 15:36:44 09/14/09 (1) RE: You're right... - mls-stl 17:12:07 09/14/09 (0) Blind vs Sighted - kerr 10:25:36 09/14/09 (2) RE: Blind vs Sighted - robert young 12:07:18 09/14/09 (1) If I could have... - kerr 06:15:09 09/15/09 (0) Or as the link TAH provided terms it... - E-Stat 16:42:48 09/11/09 (0) For some unknown reason... - E-Stat 07:54:43 09/11/09 (0) uh..... - robert young 04:47:34 09/09/09 (12) RE: rather..... - theaudiohobby 05:32:02 09/09/09 (11) Time to back up that statement. - robert young 06:16:05 09/09/09 (10) RE: Not interested in having a pointless discussion - theaudiohobby 08:10:56 09/09/09 (9) Just exactly what I thought you'd say... - robert young 08:20:53 09/09/09 (8) "highly-refined rhetorical skills" - that's one of the meanest put-downs I've read here, in a long time. - carcass93 11:00:21 09/21/09 (0) When you are unable to answer questions and all else fails... - E-Stat 10:34:03 09/09/09 (3) Thanks for the wander down memory lane... - robert young 11:48:03 09/09/09 (2) I have enjoyed a number of your responses - E-Stat 11:58:28 09/09/09 (1) RE: I have enjoyed a number of your responses - robert young 15:05:26 09/09/09 (0) RE: Thanks for the laugh - theaudiohobby 09:02:37 09/09/09 (2) Another embarrassing cop-out. - robert young 10:34:10 09/09/09 (0) Your crash and burn is noted. Anyone else care to pilot DBT Airlines? (nt) - kerr 09:10:08 09/09/09 (0) Aren't wine tasting events preference tests? - Pat D 12:30:26 09/08/09 (17) It's a "Blind Taste Test".......... - Todd Krieger 01:12:21 09/09/09 (0) so if you've taken care of the biases... - robert young 15:04:51 09/08/09 (12) A question of terminology? - Tony Lauck 10:27:29 09/09/09 (3) Yes, a question of terminology... - robert young 10:45:30 09/09/09 (2) RE: Yes, a question of terminology... - Tony Lauck 12:15:53 09/09/09 (1) I know "bias" has value connotations... - robert young 15:16:28 09/09/09 (0) RE: so if you've taken care of the biases... - Pat D 21:16:42 09/08/09 (7) Did you not understand the subject line? - robert young 04:22:49 09/09/09 (6) Yes, and I didn't disagree with it. - Pat D 10:21:32 09/09/09 (5) RE: Yes, and I didn't disagree with it. - robert young 10:27:53 09/09/09 (4) If you would keep track of the actual question you asked . . . - Pat D 07:48:57 09/10/09 (3) Pathetic, Pat. As I repeated it to you twice... - robert young 07:55:53 09/10/09 (2) It just wasn't quite the simple answer you wanted. - Pat D 11:05:43 09/10/09 (1) You just keep telling yourself that, Pat. - robert young 11:59:33 09/10/09 (0) Maybe you should try wine same/difference tests and let us know how it goes... - mkuller 14:42:38 09/08/09 (2) Yes indeed! Blind testing does have drawbacks for subjective audio reviewers! - Pat D 20:56:46 09/08/09 (1) LOL! It's pseudoscience and has drawbacks for everybody...(nt) - mkuller 09:41:30 09/09/09 (0) RE: L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests. - Todd Krieger 10:48:51 09/08/09 (0) At a local Supermarket - bjh 04:25:30 09/08/09 (1) At a regional wine shop, - Al Sekela 15:20:21 09/08/09 (0) Big surprise... - Ugly 22:21:56 09/07/09 (0) RE: L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests. - caspian@peak.org 17:44:05 09/07/09 (3) RE: L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests. - manor999 18:40:19 09/07/09 (2) RE: L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests. - caspian@peak.org 13:05:56 09/09/09 (0) RE: L.A. Times article concerning blind wine taste tests. - Ugly 22:07:41 09/07/09 (0) Wonder if Jerry is related to Julian... - mkuller 15:25:51 09/07/09 (0)
	statistics question	mike1127 10-8-2009 13:35	7	10-10-2009 17:33 by mike1127
Start here - Tony Lauck 06:30:38 10/09/09 (1) I have always wondered why we don't use the value of π and enter at the random number computer generated. nt - Norm 16:39:25 10/09/09 (0) I don't have an answer for you, but I have always been bemused that no one really has a random numb. generator - Norm 06:25:38 10/09/09 (0) No equivalent of GSL library for that language (what is it, BTW)? - carcass93 20:38:24 10/08/09 (3) RE: No equivalent of GSL library for that language (what is it, BTW)? - mike1127 15:39:02 10/09/09 (2) Look here - probably something you could use (link). - carcass93 07:36:41 10/10/09 (1) RE: Look here - probably something you could use (link). - mike1127 17:33:33 10/10/09 (0)
	Blind listening test of power cords - and reactions to it.	carcass93 9-25-2009 08:19	151	10-10-2009 16:03 by Pat D
RE: Blind listening test of power cords - and reactions to it. - andy19191 16:44:01 09/28/09 (107) No idea, and don't give a damn. But you're not talking about yourself, hopefully. N/T - carcass93 05:27:17 09/29/09 (16) RE: No idea, and don't give a damn. But you're not talking about yourself, hopefully. N/T - andy19191 01:47:44 09/30/09 (15) That would be people that aren't looking beneath the surface - kerr 08:03:19 09/30/09 (13) RE: That would be people that aren't looking beneath the surface - andy19191 14:19:33 09/30/09 (10) So, when thinly-disguised audiophile hater, with the only... - carcass93 09:44:00 10/01/09 (2) RE: So, when thinly-disguised audiophile hater, with the only... - kerr 13:03:27 10/01/09 (1) Yeah... When professionals discuss online top-of-the-line Lavry vs. Crane Song AD/DAs,... - carcass93 14:26:06 10/01/09 (0) RE: That would be people that aren't looking beneath the surface - theaudiohobby 20:52:50 09/30/09 (0) RE: That would be people that aren't looking beneath the surface - kerr 17:09:38 09/30/09 (4) If you're right about "got as much as he gave", that only means... - carcass93 09:58:35 10/01/09 (3) Thanks! - kerr 10:08:11 10/01/09 (2) On different subject - bought some "cheap" single malts recently in Duty Free shop abroad. - carcass93 10:45:11 10/01/09 (1) I've not done much experimenting lately - kerr 10:57:08 10/01/09 (0) for some one who claims to be a disinterested observer - Analog Scott 15:58:18 09/30/09 (0) "very nice argument" - I trust you don't mean as in "being nice" (but that's to be expected). - carcass93 08:56:13 09/30/09 (1) I meant "interesting" - kerr 09:18:42 09/30/09 (0) Fine collection of fantasies, guesses and lies in one short post. Keep it up. N/T - carcass93 08:00:55 09/30/09 (0) What I find revealing is this quote - E-Stat 16:54:23 09/28/09 (6) Well at least they are being honest! - Don Till 11:05:32 09/30/09 (5) Are you being honest? I kind of doubt that... - carcass93 12:41:07 09/30/09 (2) .Right on par - Don Till 18:19:49 09/30/09 (1) "I'm a subjectivist " - if you say so... - carcass93 08:23:16 10/01/09 (0) RE: Well at least they are being honest! - kerr 12:37:20 09/30/09 (1) RE: Well at least they are being honest! - Don Till 18:24:07 09/30/09 (0) The DBT pseudoscientists are even crazier than we hobbyists are...(nt) - mkuller 16:47:08 09/28/09 (82) RE: The DBT pseudoscientists are even crazier than we hobbyists are...(nt) - Peter H-son 08:53:14 09/30/09 (72) I BELIEVE!!! - morricab 14:34:56 09/30/09 (0) Looks like your posts below have been deleted... - mkuller 09:58:16 09/30/09 (1) RE: Looks like your posts below have been deleted... - Peter H-son 10:37:14 09/30/09 (0) I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - kerr 09:30:09 09/30/09 (65) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Peter H-son 09:44:08 09/30/09 (64) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - kerr 10:07:26 09/30/09 (55) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Peter H-son 10:28:03 09/30/09 (53) "This thread is an attack on reason, skepticism, critical thinking and science." um...no - Analog Scott 11:41:39 09/30/09 (14) RE: "This thread is an attack on reason, skepticism, critical thinking and science." um...no - Peter H-son 11:45:50 09/30/09 (13) "Being called "lunitic fringe" by your kind is a badge of honor." - Analog Scott 13:26:33 09/30/09 (12) RE: "Being called "lunitic fringe" by your kind is a badge of honor." - Peter H-son 10:31:31 10/01/09 (11) "Why would I do that?" - Analog Scott 13:43:40 10/01/09 (10) RE: "Why would I do that?" - Peter H-son 06:30:55 10/02/09 (9) "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Analog Scott 07:56:28 10/02/09 (8) RE: "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Peter H-son 09:10:04 10/02/09 (5) RE: "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Analog Scott 12:57:01 10/02/09 (4) RE: "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Peter H-son 06:39:20 10/03/09 (3) RE: "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Analog Scott 09:36:26 10/03/09 (2) RE: "I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists." - Peter H-son 13:33:14 10/03/09 (1) Well argued - Analog Scott 17:43:55 10/03/09 (0) He apparently thinks that "Nobody is dumber that the idiots here" swing, that started the mayhem,... - carcass93 08:11:49 10/02/09 (1) RE: He apparently thinks that "Nobody is dumber that the idiots here" swing, that started the mayhem,... - Peter H-son 06:55:40 10/03/09 (0) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - kerr 10:46:46 09/30/09 (36) Man, you don't understand... you HAVE TO PROVE something to him. N/T - carcass93 11:20:37 09/30/09 (0) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Donald North 11:15:17 09/30/09 (4) A perfectly logical approach... - mkuller 11:18:24 09/30/09 (3) RE: A perfectly logical approach... - Peter H-son 11:35:04 09/30/09 (2) Looks like you also have... - mkuller 11:48:48 09/30/09 (1) RE: Looks like you also have... - Peter H-son 11:58:58 09/30/09 (0) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Peter H-son 11:10:43 09/30/09 (29) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - kerr 12:30:05 09/30/09 (25) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Pat D 09:32:07 10/02/09 (24) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - kerr 10:21:44 10/02/09 (23) RE: I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, it's true - Pat D 14:11:10 10/03/09 (22) "the problems are to show that there are any audible differences and under what conditions." - Analog Scott 10:44:07 10/04/09 (21) No one says you can't enjoy your perceptions. - Pat D 18:59:24 10/05/09 (20) looks to me like he asked you... - Analog Scott 08:29:21 10/06/09 (19) RE: looks to me like he asked you... - Pat D 12:16:07 10/06/09 (18) Then we come full circle - Analog Scott 14:44:16 10/06/09 (4) You are totally confused. - Pat D 18:37:16 10/06/09 (3) You aren't getting it and that makes me confused...... - Analog Scott 23:16:39 10/06/09 (2) "Technical and scientific discussion of amps, cables and other topics." - Pat D 12:57:39 10/08/09 (1) No I have no problem with that - Analog Scott 10:48:01 10/10/09 (0) The answer is equally easy: it can, if you're willing to substantiate it for yourself. - carcass93 14:02:26 10/06/09 (12) Life is too short. - Pat D 18:31:05 10/06/09 (11) Where does posting silly demands of others for "proof" on this forum fit into that? - carcass93 08:29:33 10/07/09 (4) I only ask if there is proof of extraordinary claims. - Pat D 10:37:34 10/07/09 (2) Asked and aswered - there is. Just not for you. N/T - carcass93 12:53:41 10/07/09 (1) You haven't indicated any proofs. (nt) - Pat D 16:03:47 10/10/09 (0) Well, you have to admit he has a point - kerr 09:09:20 10/07/09 (0) More like too busy posting demands for evidence on this forum... - morricab 01:52:15 10/07/09 (5) I'm not the one making extraordinary claims about what I can hear. (nt) - Pat D 10:32:29 10/07/09 (4) RE: I'm not the one making extraordinary claims about what I can hear. (nt) - morricab 00:54:04 10/08/09 (3) "Technical and scientific discussion of amps, cables and other topics." - Pat D 13:43:47 10/08/09 (1) RE: "Technical and scientific discussion of amps, cables and other topics." - morricab 02:26:35 10/09/09 (0) Ah, there's the question! - kerr 04:46:07 10/08/09 (0) Can you show me evidence... - mkuller 11:21:14 09/30/09 (2) RE: Can you show me evidence... - Peter H-son 11:32:25 09/30/09 (1) You got nothing - who's the wackjob? (nt) - mkuller 11:36:49 09/30/09 (0) "attack on reason, skepticism, critical thinking and science" - you're wrong again. - carcass93 10:44:46 09/30/09 (0) His two weapons are fear and surpise and - Analog Scott 10:16:29 09/30/09 (0) What fallacy? - Tony Lauck 10:05:49 09/30/09 (0) So if a peice of wire has different... - mkuller 09:59:53 09/30/09 (6) RE: So if a peice of wire has different... - Peter H-son 10:17:59 09/30/09 (5) "As far as we know" - you don't know too far then. BTW, "we" - you got helminths? - carcass93 10:35:18 09/30/09 (2) RE: "As far as we know" - you don't know too far then. BTW, "we" - you got helminths? - Peter H-son 10:41:13 09/30/09 (1) I thought their video was about the beliefs of the DBT pseudoscientists...(nt) - mkuller 10:58:00 09/30/09 (0) "As far as we know..." - you got a mouse in your pocket? (nt) - mkuller 10:29:06 09/30/09 (1) Judging by tone of his posts - it's helminths, indeed. Nasty ones, and lot of them. N/T - carcass93 11:22:30 09/30/09 (0) "Nobody is dumber that the idiots here" - that's right, you're the dumbest of anti-audiophile idiots here. - carcass93 09:14:51 09/30/09 (2) RE: "Nobody is dumber that the idiots here" - that's right, you're the dumbest of anti-audiophile idiots here. - Peter H-son 09:47:14 09/30/09 (1) You don't have a point. - carcass93 10:12:20 09/30/09 (0) Yeah, ironic talk about tribes, when his is the craziest .(nt) - Sordidman 10:35:06 09/29/09 (5) IMO both fringes are on even ground when it comes to craziness and vitrole. nt - Analog Scott 12:44:56 09/29/09 (4) Perhaps, but... - mkuller 20:42:18 09/29/09 (2) Tell ya? Heck I'll show ya. - Analog Scott 08:05:26 09/30/09 (1) I'd forgotten that episode.... - robert young 11:46:24 09/30/09 (0) I hear that but - Sordidman 18:25:17 09/29/09 (0) ...and they like their DBT's only when they give them expected results (nt) - kerr 16:54:05 09/28/09 (2) double word (nt) - Analog Scott 08:21:16 09/29/09 (0) Word (nt) - Donald North 17:06:00 09/28/09 (0) It is very easy to understand their beliefs - E-Stat 07:05:35 09/27/09 (15) Along the same lines - their systems (E. Winer responds to ajinfla): - carcass93 11:52:53 09/28/09 (12) Interestingly, AJinFLA already got into disagreement there (who could've thought?)... - carcass93 08:42:25 09/29/09 (9) He may get bounced for disagreeing - kerr 09:33:27 09/29/09 (8) This "LFO on LFO" violence must cease!!!! - Analog Scott 10:32:04 09/29/09 (6) We can't have them fighting amongst themselves! - kerr 11:20:02 09/29/09 (5) That's the - E-Stat 15:41:39 09/29/09 (2) Gotta admit - kerr 15:53:54 09/29/09 (1) Its definitely - E-Stat 16:24:33 09/29/09 (0) Let's Go!!! - robert young 15:32:02 09/29/09 (1) RE: Let's Go!!! - kerr 15:55:42 09/29/09 (0) Absolutely. BTW, some stuff there is informative (especially if you haven't read it previous 100 times). - carcass93 09:48:25 09/29/09 (0) Who said anything about a spigot? - E-Stat 16:59:04 09/28/09 (0) RE: Along the same lines - their systems (E. Winer responds to ajinfla): - kerr 16:51:03 09/28/09 (0) As you've always said... - kerr 13:24:33 09/27/09 (1) It is truly perplexing! - E-Stat 15:42:54 09/27/09 (0) Scavenging in the Toxic Waste Dump - Tony Lauck 08:04:17 09/26/09 (3) RE: Scavenging in the Toxic Waste Dump - Pat D 10:21:28 09/26/09 (2) RE: Scavenging in the Toxic Waste Dump - Tony Lauck 11:03:12 09/26/09 (1) RE: Scavenging in the Toxic Waste Dump - geoffkait 09:42:23 09/27/09 (0) And your evaluation of his blind test is? - Pat D 14:30:08 09/25/09 (8) Considering your supposed mighty struggle comprehending English, I'm not sure you could... - carcass93 14:46:39 09/25/09 (7) Apparently you didn't read the thread very well . . . - Pat D 15:24:18 09/25/09 (6) You could easily answer all these questions yourself. - carcass93 08:56:52 09/28/09 (0) RE: Apparently you didn't read the thread very well . . . - Analog Scott 20:12:05 09/25/09 (4) Well, if you want to talk personalities . . . - Pat D 08:42:54 09/26/09 (3) Spreading your wings Pat? - bjh 10:25:18 09/26/09 (0) I guess I struck a nerve - Analog Scott 08:55:25 09/26/09 (1) Well, that answers my question. (nt) - Pat D 16:38:26 10/03/09 (0) RE: Blind listening test of power cords - and reactions to it. - kerr 10:16:33 09/25/09 (13) Hydrogen Audio Is The Training Manuel For The LFOs On PHP - thetubeguy1954 13:45:50 09/26/09 (7) RE: Hydrogen Audio Is The Training Manuel For The LFOs On PHP - Todd Krieger 19:28:05 09/28/09 (0) I hope you have that backwards - kerr 15:11:31 09/26/09 (5) Sadly I Don't Believe I Do... - thetubeguy1954 07:07:06 09/28/09 (4) Their forum, their rules - kerr 06:10:11 09/29/09 (3) "Their forum, their rules" ah that depends on who you are - Analog Scott 12:28:16 09/30/09 (2) RE: "Their forum, their rules" ah that depends on who you are - kerr 16:55:14 09/30/09 (1) yeah I didn't know about the unwritten rules - Analog Scott 22:24:31 09/30/09 (0) I've had some real fun with them lately - Analog Scott 20:07:58 09/25/09 (1) I've seen your posts there - kerr 06:09:17 09/26/09 (0) BTW, one old friend popped up there, too. - carcass93 10:54:35 09/25/09 (1) I saw his post - kerr 12:10:33 09/25/09 (0) The Knights who say Ni. (nt) - Al Sekela 10:49:30 09/25/09 (0)
	Discussing cables - could this energy be better spent?	Donald North 9-30-2009 21:43	6	10-2-2009 07:31 by Todd Krieger
RE: Discussing cables - could this energy be better spent? - Todd Krieger 07:31:00 10/02/09 (0) Yes, but... - rick_m 06:57:11 10/02/09 (0) Listeners who care about sound quality . . . - caspian@peak.org 09:39:57 10/01/09 (0) You're probably right, in the sense that "petitioning" (normally pretty ineffective)... - carcass93 08:29:57 10/01/09 (0) Well, when you think outside the box... - kerr 04:50:40 10/01/09 (0) RE: Discussing cables - could this energy be better spent? - Ugly 23:56:05 09/30/09 (0)
	It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz.	carcass93 8-31-2009 15:07	109	9-23-2009 06:44 by rick_m
Yes but........ - tomservo 09:20:58 09/03/09 (0) Here - some examples of instruments that produce content above 22 kHz. - carcass93 08:29:47 09/03/09 (28) "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 09:59:29 09/03/09 (27) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 10:26:15 09/03/09 (26) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - FenderLover 01:48:30 09/06/09 (2) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 12:16:20 09/06/09 (1) " During the attack, there is no such valid series, and the concepts of fundamental and harmonics... - FenderLover 04:29:16 09/07/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 10:36:08 09/03/09 (22) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 22:09:01 09/03/09 (20) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 10:16:14 09/04/09 (8) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 01:04:43 09/05/09 (7) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 08:51:17 09/08/09 (5) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 09:45:45 09/08/09 (4) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 04:38:49 09/09/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:19:52 09/09/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - morricab 01:12:23 09/09/09 (1) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Tony Lauck 10:39:30 09/09/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 01:21:34 09/05/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Todd Krieger 23:02:34 09/03/09 (10) Fourier transformations - FenderLover 18:21:16 09/05/09 (0) RE: "Instruments Without Harmonics?" - Werner 23:22:23 09/03/09 (8) Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 10:27:45 09/04/09 (7) RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 00:57:08 09/05/09 (5) RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:11:55 09/05/09 (4) RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Werner 01:20:48 09/05/09 (3) RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - Todd Krieger 01:24:08 09/05/09 (2) RE: Fourier Analysis is NOT Requisite In the Discussion of Fundamentals and Harmonics in Music............... - rick_m 08:20:11 09/05/09 (0) samples - Werner 02:23:36 09/05/09 (0) No nails anywhere.. No use for a hammer :-) - Tony Lauck 17:23:34 09/04/09 (0) As either a transient burst or a filtered noise source - Axon 11:16:03 09/03/09 (0) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Awe-d-o-file 06:23:28 09/02/09 (1) The question then becomes "Will high-frequency content at -50...-40dB enhance sound quality in any way?" - carcass93 07:37:46 09/02/09 (0) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Logan 20:13:38 09/01/09 (0) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - john curl 20:11:01 09/01/09 (0) And this relates to audio how? - Don Till 14:02:08 09/01/09 (22) I believe I made my point in the discussion below. N/T - carcass93 14:53:15 09/01/09 (0) Facts are of no importance? nt - Norm 14:07:27 09/01/09 (20) Depends on the facts and whatever it is we are discussing - Don Till 22:37:12 09/01/09 (19) Really... What about high frequencies that DO exist in the recording? - carcass93 07:50:45 09/02/09 (16) LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - Don Till 10:09:38 09/02/09 (15) RE: LOL! Aren't you the guy who admits a preference for popular music and recordings! - b.l.zeebub 06:52:23 09/03/09 (1) If you say so I believe you but... - Don Till 09:33:04 09/03/09 (0) Ever heard of moving coil cartridges? - Tony Lauck 14:58:59 09/02/09 (12) Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Don Till 09:21:21 09/03/09 (2) RE: Yea and they had a rep for rising high frequencies (I own two btw) - Tony Lauck 09:36:44 09/03/09 (1) Two things - Don Till 13:28:44 09/04/09 (0) "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - Axon 00:42:12 09/03/09 (8) And 100% of it would be pure distortion -nt - E-Stat 10:01:19 09/03/09 (0) I'm sure you're aware of difference between actual recorded content and artifacts. - carcass93 08:27:01 09/03/09 (4) Wow, tough crowd. - Axon 11:09:57 09/03/09 (3) RE: Wow, tough crowd. - Tony Lauck 12:23:02 09/03/09 (0) It must be persuasive - after all, it's got "BAM!" at the end. - carcass93 11:38:54 09/03/09 (1) Persuasive? Nah, just a poor attempt at facetiousness -nt - Axon 16:01:26 09/03/09 (0) RE: "energy to 30khz"! Even a CD has measurable energy at 30khz -nt - tomservo 07:11:02 09/03/09 (0) Err ???? - Werner 02:52:01 09/03/09 (0) I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Norm 06:49:17 09/02/09 (1) RE: I guess I would dispute what was thought about cds, but it really doesn't matter. - Don Till 10:26:42 09/02/09 (0) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - tomservo 10:16:09 09/01/09 (1) It's a long way from "way down in level" to "inaudible" in musical context. - carcass93 10:59:41 09/01/09 (0) Literature overview - KlausR. 05:16:46 09/01/09 (1) Thank you - excellent find! N/T - carcass93 11:12:04 09/01/09 (0) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Werner 03:37:01 09/01/09 (5) RE: It's old news (2005) - but I live in the woods... Tests confirm hearing above 22 kHz. - Tony Lauck 09:43:01 09/01/09 (1) Speaking of intense HF - E-Stat 11:13:15 09/01/09 (0) 88 dB is limit for detection in that particular, very small and arbitrarily assembled group. - carcass93 08:04:13 09/01/09 (2) But you don't seem to "buy" any argument contrary to your set beliefs. - Pat D 11:14:55 09/01/09 (1) What evidence? Evidence of what? - carcass93 11:27:50 09/01/09 (0) No ties to the the "scientists"... - gymwear5@hotmail.com 16:52:36 08/31/09 (41) It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - carcass93 17:58:25 08/31/09 (40) RE: It's better than nothing - and surely better than pathetic Meyer-Moran exercise. - caspian@peak.org 09:07:56 09/01/09 (0) It's the answer to a different question - Axon 22:12:45 08/31/09 (38) RE: It's the answer to a different question - Pat D 11:10:23 09/01/09 (4) "don't seem", "I expect" - in other words, you don't know. - carcass93 11:18:48 09/01/09 (3) Well, in any spectral analysis of music I've ever seen . . . - Pat D 12:48:56 09/01/09 (2) Are you Meyer or Moran? Or at least one of the participants, may be? - carcass93 13:09:22 09/01/09 (1) So, what is the matter with their equipment? - Pat D 16:48:58 09/01/09 (0) RE: It's the answer to a different question - Tony Lauck 09:32:22 09/01/09 (2) RE: It's the answer to a different question - kerr 12:43:45 09/01/09 (0) Cagey response! -nt - E-Stat 11:09:09 09/01/09 (0) "no sonic value ... from high res ... for all popular and all classical music" - you're forgetting... - carcass93 07:56:17 09/01/09 (29) I'm fine with that. - Axon 10:11:46 09/01/09 (28) What's good thing - that their "beliefs" will die, or they themselves? - carcass93 10:51:29 09/01/09 (27) Yeah, I can't discount a freak act of stupidity finishing me off... - Axon 13:08:24 09/01/09 (26) "and the interest in music there is far more diverse." - kerr 14:04:19 09/01/09 (23) You laugh, but.... - Axon 14:11:47 09/01/09 (22) Well... yeah, I do! - kerr 05:07:38 09/02/09 (19) I'll admit the paranoia occasionally sucks - Axon 01:01:39 09/03/09 (7) "paranoia occasionally sucks"? So, there are times when paranoia is just fine? - carcass93 11:09:44 09/04/09 (5) Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - kerr 15:01:11 09/04/09 (1) RE: Sure! When people actually ARE out to get me! :) (nt) - Tony Lauck 17:29:44 09/04/09 (0) I'm still rapturously awating how you think I've been lying -nt - Axon 14:54:10 09/04/09 (2) Your persistence can be fully satisfied, if you just.... - carcass93 19:14:00 09/04/09 (1) Godwin's Law satisfied 2x, and you talk the big talk for a guy who doesn't post his system. You're cute. - Axon 09:14:23 09/05/09 (0) LOL - kerr 05:07:41 09/03/09 (0) RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - rick_m 08:16:37 09/02/09 (10) RE: "The higher quality recording is the one that sounds better. " - kerr 05:12:01 09/03/09 (9) RE: 78's - rick_m 09:15:47 09/03/09 (8) RE: 78's - kerr 11:29:05 09/03/09 (0) RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 10:52:56 09/03/09 (6) RE: 78's - rick_m 12:28:43 09/03/09 (5) Time for a new cartridge - unclestu52 16:23:19 09/13/09 (1) RE: Time for a new cartridge - rick_m 06:44:12 09/23/09 (0) My experience mirrors Tony's - E-Stat 15:37:12 09/03/09 (1) That's a relief. - rick_m 16:40:13 09/03/09 (0) RE: 78's - Tony Lauck 12:36:25 09/03/09 (0) Looks like we have different concepts of honesty, too. N/T - carcass93 14:56:51 09/01/09 (1) Now I'm genuinely curious as to what you think I'm lying about... -nt - Axon 15:38:46 09/01/09 (0) "HA homeys tend to have equally good listening skills (and rigs)" - there's a difference... - carcass93 13:37:30 09/01/09 (1) I know! It's like, wow, we have different conceptions of reality or something -nt - Axon 13:50:59 09/01/09 (0)
	Is there a correlation between preferred music and subjectivity/objectivity in audio?	kerr 8-24-2009 14:44	41	9-16-2009 12:37 by Peter H-son
Wrong question - Peter H-son 12:36:42 09/13/09 (6) And yet, here you are. - rick_m 14:37:09 09/13/09 (5) RE: And yet, here you are. - Peter H-son 10:21:02 09/14/09 (4) RE: And yet, here you are. - rick_m 11:07:31 09/14/09 (3) RE: And yet, here you are. - Peter H-son 08:56:21 09/15/09 (2) RE: And yet, here you are. - rick_m 11:47:07 09/15/09 (1) RE: And yet, here you are. - Peter H-son 12:37:36 09/16/09 (0) RE: Is there a correlation between preferred music and subjectivity/objectivity in audio? - caspian@peak.org 09:29:56 08/29/09 (0) I prefer mostly classical and jazz ... - morricab 02:07:10 08/26/09 (2) Nothing wrong with preferences - however,... - carcass93 17:18:03 08/26/09 (1) RE: Nothing wrong with preferences - however,... - morricab 04:33:37 08/27/09 (0) All is not lost - E-Stat 16:25:56 08/25/09 (0) No! But I was told by a reputable dealer the only way to identify an objectivist without talking to him was.. - Don Till 10:53:04 08/25/09 (1) Hmmm - kerr 14:57:57 08/25/09 (0) Hmm. - Ugly 19:29:27 08/24/09 (16) Point taken - kerr 04:57:26 08/25/09 (15) Count me out - for me on the other end of spectrum from Deicide ... - carcass93 11:13:34 08/25/09 (13) RE: Count me out - for me on the other end of spectrum from Deicide ... - morricab 02:16:42 08/26/09 (12) You mean, regardless of what that advice is? How about.... - carcass93 04:56:12 08/26/09 (11) RE: You mean, regardless of what that advice is? How about.... - morricab 07:59:39 08/26/09 (10) How does carcass93's music in his signal integrity analysis somehow invalidate his results as compared to yours? - Ugly 13:25:59 08/28/09 (3) RE: How does carcass93's music in his signal integrity analysis somehow invalidate his results as compared to - morricab 15:07:51 08/28/09 (2) RE: How does carcass93's music in his signal integrity analysis somehow invalidate his results as compared to - Ugly 13:56:27 08/29/09 (1) RE: How does carcass93's music in his signal integrity analysis somehow invalidate his results as compared to - morricab 00:59:52 08/31/09 (0) " too funny" refers to the fact that... - carcass93 08:18:08 08/26/09 (5) RE: " too funny" refers to the fact that... - morricab 01:25:16 08/27/09 (0) Let's just say . . . - Frank E 17:55:14 08/26/09 (3) You see... I don't even mind turning on (kind of) my own - just not over musical preferences. - carcass93 07:51:02 08/27/09 (1) RE: You see... I don't even mind turning on (kind of) my own - just not over musical preferences. - morricab 01:31:06 08/28/09 (0) RE: Let's just say . . . - morricab 01:26:40 08/27/09 (0) RE: Point taken - Ugly 11:06:25 08/25/09 (0) Apparently, no - in most people's mind, somebody with my tastes would be best served listening to boombox. - carcass93 14:58:10 08/24/09 (9) RE: Apparently, no - in most people's mind, somebody with my tastes would be best served listening to boombox. - morricab 02:15:06 08/26/09 (4) As I said - you're trying to speak about matters you have no interest in, or any idea about. - carcass93 08:23:14 08/26/09 (3) RE: As I said - you're trying to speak about matters you have no interest in, or any idea about. - morricab 01:41:13 08/27/09 (0) You're wrong! - Don Till 12:17:15 08/26/09 (1) Your input is truly invaluable - as usual. N/T - carcass93 13:33:05 08/26/09 (0) Yeah, we gotta come up with a new name - kerr 15:48:35 08/24/09 (3) "What's a good name for those who extrapolate their poor listening skills on the rest of the world and refuse... - musetap 19:34:49 08/24/09 (2) RE: "What's a good name for those who extrapolate their poor listening skills on the rest of the world and refuse... - kerr 05:15:01 08/26/09 (1) RE: "What's a good name for those who extrapolate their poor listening skills on the rest of the world and ref - musetap 12:23:32 08/26/09 (0)
	Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion	reddogpt 6-18-2009 12:01	124	9-9-2009 02:42 by philhansen
RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - philhansen 02:42:31 09/09/09 (0) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - philhansen 10:38:21 09/04/09 (0) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - Peter H-son 09:01:58 06/30/09 (0) Measuring properties or changing operation? - tomservo 11:04:59 06/24/09 (29) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - Dan Banquer 11:10:02 06/26/09 (0) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - bjh 11:40:54 06/24/09 (27) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - rick_m 06:35:16 06/25/09 (20) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - Todd Krieger 12:05:34 06/25/09 (1) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - rick_m 15:41:52 06/25/09 (0) Another engineer pipes in ... - bjh 08:01:25 06/25/09 (17) Bryston, Aftermarket Cables, and "Proper Design"...... - Todd Krieger 12:40:54 06/25/09 (11) Agreed... - bjh 15:14:32 06/25/09 (8) RE: Agreed... - Don Till 22:26:25 06/25/09 (7) I note you didn't - bjh 00:02:58 06/26/09 (6) RE: I note you didn't - Don Till 05:54:37 06/26/09 (5) RE: I note you didn't - Tony Lauck 10:33:18 06/26/09 (3) I'm sure Don T. is serious - I just hope you are not. - carcass93 10:42:41 06/26/09 (2) I was. - Tony Lauck 11:12:33 06/26/09 (1) RE: I was. - Don Till 14:14:42 06/26/09 (0) Confirmation acknowledged. nt - bjh 07:43:31 06/26/09 (0) Exactly. I highly suspect they've never been tested neither by manufacturer, nor... - carcass93 13:51:30 06/25/09 (1) Tested??? For cable sonics??? - kerr 16:22:45 06/25/09 (0) RE: Another engineer pipes in ... - Don Till 10:22:03 06/25/09 (1) Well had I given it any thought ... - bjh 10:26:03 06/25/09 (0) RE: Another engineer pipes in ... - rick_m 10:17:23 06/25/09 (2) RE: Another engineer pipes in ... - bjh 12:06:44 06/25/09 (1) RE: Another engineer pipes in ... - rick_m 13:42:47 06/25/09 (0) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - tomservo 12:35:59 06/24/09 (5) Would you be so kind to point toward one piece of aduio equipment with PROPERLY... - carcass93 08:05:58 06/25/09 (2) RE: Would you be so kind to point toward one piece of aduio equipment with PROPERLY... - tomservo 10:06:17 06/25/09 (1) In regards to the MX-110 - unclestu52 11:30:26 06/25/09 (0) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - bjh 15:47:58 06/24/09 (1) RE: Measuring properties or changing operation? - tomservo 16:02:24 06/24/09 (0) Non-believers get excommunicated from the cable asylum - JimOfOakCreek 12:05:02 06/23/09 (28) I agree that opinions formed by different sources of experience - E-Stat 19:28:11 06/24/09 (0) However, you are free to spew your minority anti-audiophile 'open opinions' here...(nt) - mkuller 15:21:58 06/24/09 (0) RE: Non-believers get excommunicated from the cable asylum - andy19191 01:01:03 06/24/09 (9) Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - Todd Krieger 10:02:12 06/24/09 (8) RE: Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - andy19191 04:35:26 06/25/09 (7) RE: Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - Todd Krieger 11:03:04 06/25/09 (1) RE: Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - andy19191 15:46:10 06/25/09 (0) RE: Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - Tony Lauck 10:35:34 06/25/09 (1) RE: Are They "Non-Believers?" Or Are They Bullies?? - andy19191 11:57:36 06/25/09 (0) What a beautiful self-parody. - rick_m 06:45:41 06/25/09 (2) I've laughed a lot on this forum, but... - kerr 09:04:47 06/30/09 (0) LOL ... he certainly delivered! nt - bjh 09:16:23 06/25/09 (0) RE: Non-believers get excommunicated from the cable asylum - Todd Krieger 20:41:09 06/23/09 (10) "flame" forum - bjh 20:46:37 06/23/09 (9) RE: "flame" forum - Todd Krieger 20:50:28 06/23/09 (8) This post was moved from cable -nt - E-Stat 19:20:56 06/24/09 (1) RE: This post was moved from cable -nt - Todd Krieger 01:40:51 06/25/09 (0) RE: "flame" forum - bjh 20:53:26 06/23/09 (5) RE: "flame" forum - Todd Krieger 21:13:40 06/23/09 (4) You been advocating for 5 years... - bjh 21:19:11 06/23/09 (3) Actually, It Was Almost Seven Years...... - Todd Krieger 21:35:57 06/23/09 (2) I wonder who will give up first ... - bjh 21:47:29 06/23/09 (1) RE: I wonder who will give up first ... - Todd Krieger 21:49:03 06/23/09 (0) There's a Whiners forum ya' know! ... go post there Loser. nt - bjh 19:53:24 06/23/09 (0) Absolutely not true. - carcass93 12:24:15 06/23/09 (3) RE: Absolutely not true. - rick_m 06:32:14 06/24/09 (1) RE: Absolutely not true. - kerr 10:18:41 06/24/09 (0) RE: Absolutely not true. - kerr 04:42:51 06/24/09 (0) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - Todd Krieger 10:04:49 06/23/09 (0) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - theaudiohobby 07:48:09 06/23/09 (15) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - Todd Krieger 17:43:10 06/23/09 (0) Sway WHICH critics? - Tony Lauck 08:40:01 06/23/09 (3) RE: Sway WHICH critics? - theaudiohobby 09:55:10 06/23/09 (1) There are no claims that should concern you - and, subsequently, nobody cares about your challenges. - carcass93 11:07:21 06/23/09 (0) I think you know who they are... all 5 of them. - carcass93 08:46:36 06/23/09 (0) Scientific evidence? Riiiiiiiight - Analog Scott 07:57:23 06/23/09 (9) RE: Scientific evidence? Riiiiiiiight - theaudiohobby 08:19:24 06/23/09 (8) RE: Scientific evidence? Riiiiiiiight - Todd Krieger 15:24:04 06/23/09 (0) Um, if it is non existant it is by default inconclusive - Analog Scott 08:37:14 06/23/09 (6) RE: Um, if it is non existant it is by default inconclusive - Todd Krieger 15:36:39 06/23/09 (0) RE: No, there is formal evidence and it's all negative. - theaudiohobby 10:06:01 06/23/09 (4) RE: No, there is formal evidence and it's all negative. - Todd Krieger 17:51:09 06/23/09 (0) There are a number of "bounty prizes" awaiting YOU in Vegas and Atlantic City. N/T - carcass93 11:31:26 06/23/09 (0) "Formal" evidence? Is that evidence dressed in a night gown or tux? - Analog Scott 11:18:45 06/23/09 (1) "show me the peer reviewed published studies that contain the report of that evidence. " - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:54 06/24/09 (0) There is no proof anyone can hear power cord differences or differences among any other wires - Richard BassNut Greene 07:25:05 06/23/09 (17) cherry picking again. - Analog Scott 07:59:42 06/23/09 (1) I'm way too old for that (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:14:12 06/24/09 (0) There's no proof you don't re-type the same mindless nonsense over and over again. - carcass93 07:41:36 06/23/09 (14) You must read every post I make ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:46:38 06/23/09 (13) Why not stop trolling then? - Sordidman 08:57:11 06/23/09 (12) Honesty about audio is never "trolling". "Everything sounds different" is both silly and sad - Richard BassNut Greene 11:05:38 06/23/09 (8) RE: Honesty about audio is never "trolling". "Everything sounds different" is both silly and sad - morricab 00:43:25 06/25/09 (2) hearing "subtle" differences is mainly about overactive imaginations and minor SPL differences - Richard BassNut Greene 15:19:57 06/26/09 (1) RE: hearing "subtle" differences is mainly about overactive imaginations and minor SPL differences - robert young 17:04:34 06/27/09 (0) Everything is different. - Tony Lauck 12:24:03 06/24/09 (0) How can you be honest when everything you think you know is wrong...(nt) - mkuller 11:43:49 06/24/09 (1) He's honest - in a way. That's exactly the same way ... - carcass93 12:19:37 06/24/09 (0) "I know what I hear." - Dave Mester 12:05:31 06/23/09 (0) Thanks for proving my point: more trolling will not convince anyone - Sordidman 11:25:19 06/23/09 (0) What would he post if he stops? No experience with quality systems, hearing gone south - ... - carcass93 10:59:05 06/23/09 (2) Throwing "sticks and stones" may break my bones ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:17 06/24/09 (1) Nobody's throwing "sticks and stones" - it's just you tripping over yourself,... - carcass93 12:15:49 06/24/09 (0) Adding to tony Lauck's comments ... - Dr. Philosophy 01:41:53 06/23/09 (1) RE: Adding to tony Lauck's comments ... - Tony Lauck 06:16:19 06/23/09 (0) The report is somewhat weak - Tony Lauck 18:21:39 06/22/09 (4) RE: The report is somewhat weak - morricab 01:15:09 06/25/09 (1) RE: The report is somewhat weak - Tony Lauck 08:36:50 06/25/09 (0) RE: The report is somewhat weak - Don Till 20:51:16 06/22/09 (0) RE: The report is somewhat weak - rick_m 20:17:41 06/22/09 (0) Highly trained ears? Fetch! No, really - oldmkvi 08:56:15 06/19/09 (16) RE: Highly trained ears? Fetch! No, really - Todd Krieger 20:48:05 06/23/09 (0) "there is so much Voodoo-Tweeko Cult -Mumbo-Jumbo in Cables, and Tweeks" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:43:27 06/23/09 (0) RE: Highly trained ears? Fetch! No, really - JimOfOakCreek 11:22:03 06/20/09 (7) RE: Highly trained ears? Fetch! No, really - Todd Krieger 21:22:24 06/23/09 (0) Pure codswallop. - alan m. kafton 12:49:33 06/20/09 (5) It's the balderdash of the 21st Century!...N/T - musetap 18:10:04 06/22/09 (0) Pure codswallop - JimOfOakCreek 14:39:33 06/20/09 (0) You just like the girl ;-) /t - Cpk 13:09:07 06/20/09 (2) Hey, Chris.... - alan m. kafton 13:15:19 06/20/09 (1) RE: Hey, Alan.... - Cpk 13:28:33 06/20/09 (0) Hey Guy's - chris_w 23:51:26 06/19/09 (0) Highly trained ears? You betcha! Yes, really... - Duster 21:18:02 06/19/09 (0) "Voodoo-Tweeko Cult -Mumbo-Jumbo".... - alan m. kafton 11:35:14 06/19/09 (0) and you might want to read this - Cpk 10:03:35 06/19/09 (0) ear training - Cpk 10:01:11 06/19/09 (1) RE: ear training - Todd Krieger 21:03:23 06/23/09 (0) RE: Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion - oldmkvi 17:40:58 06/18/09 (2) "Just get McIntosh power cords" - Metralla 07:54:37 06/19/09 (1) Yes. Their distortion measurements are extreme low, reviews are very positive, and - oldmkvi 08:05:27 06/19/09 (0)
	Uh Oh......It's Getting Stronger, Now What?	Jon Risch 8-24-2009 20:29	63	9-2-2009 08:24 by morricab
Perhaps this means that the anticipation of hearing more... - morricab 02:03:10 08/26/09 (16) RE: mind's susceptiblity to suggestion - theaudiohobby 11:36:56 08/28/09 (12) "brings us back ... to ... 'blind testing'" - not really. It brings YOU back there,... - carcass93 07:52:18 08/31/09 (0) RE: mind's susceptiblity to suggestion - morricab 13:54:21 08/28/09 (10) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - theaudiohobby 15:42:11 08/28/09 (9) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - morricab 12:56:12 08/30/09 (8) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - theaudiohobby 13:52:12 08/30/09 (7) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - morricab 00:40:01 08/31/09 (6) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - theaudiohobby 12:47:16 08/31/09 (5) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - morricab 13:04:07 08/31/09 (4) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - theaudiohobby 05:24:03 09/01/09 (3) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - morricab 08:21:40 09/01/09 (2) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - theaudiohobby 08:05:51 09/02/09 (1) RE: mind's susceptibility to suggestion - morricab 08:24:56 09/02/09 (0) RE: Perhaps this means that the anticipation of hearing more... - Jon Risch 18:17:06 08/26/09 (2) I've Been Talking About This For Years But Objectivists Here Simply Ignore The Truths They Can't Refute - thetubeguy1954 13:44:23 08/28/09 (0) RE: Perhaps this means that the anticipation of hearing more... - morricab 04:19:13 08/27/09 (0) Terrific article, thanks...(nt) - mkuller 21:23:09 08/25/09 (0) LOL! We should learn to embrace the placebo effect and if you can afford it the price effect too! - Don Till 20:53:32 08/25/09 (5) I'm there. - rick_m 06:41:38 08/26/09 (4) My blind testing with the intelligent chip convinced me on the power of suggestion! - Don Till 08:56:17 08/26/09 (3) RE: My blind testing with the intelligent chip convinced me on the power of suggestion! - morricab 04:22:02 08/27/09 (0) A very reasonable post. We'll be keeping our eye on you. nt - geoffkait 09:35:33 08/26/09 (0) RE: My blind testing with the intelligent chip convinced me on the power of suggestion! - rick_m 09:26:13 08/26/09 (0) RE: Uh Oh......It's Getting Stronger, Now What? - caspian@peak.org 13:15:10 08/25/09 (26) "non-rational audio tweaks" - time for some examples, don't you think? - carcass93 14:39:41 08/25/09 (24) OK, I'll bite - caspian@peak.org 20:31:22 08/25/09 (23) There's nothing "magic" about isolation devices - and that includes cones. - carcass93 08:33:58 08/26/09 (0) I see... - bjh 06:05:29 08/26/09 (21) RE: I see... - caspian@peak.org 08:35:18 08/26/09 (20) Bring on the data... - rick_m 15:36:14 08/26/09 (6) RE: Bring on the data... - caspian@peak.org 16:51:55 08/26/09 (5) RE: Bring on the data... - rick_m 20:22:59 08/26/09 (3) "The magic key to that door is finding correlated measurements ..." Good luck with that! - bjh 23:08:06 08/26/09 (2) RE: "The magic key to that door is finding correlated measurements ..." Good luck with that! - morricab 08:44:15 09/01/09 (0) RE: "The magic key to that door is finding correlated measurements ..." Good luck with that! - rick_m 09:15:50 08/27/09 (0) Seems like . . . - Frank E 18:03:50 08/26/09 (0) Ah huh...? - bjh 10:01:16 08/26/09 (0) "blessed by an ooga-booga priest" - not bad. However, I still don't think you're qualified... - carcass93 08:54:57 08/26/09 (0) Let the manufacturers, dealers, or enthusiasts of such gizmos publish objective measurements" - geoffkait 08:42:57 08/26/09 (10) RE: Let the manufacturers, dealers, or enthusiasts of such gizmos publish objective measurements" - caspian@peak.org 11:29:27 08/26/09 (8) RE: "But hey, don't let the grumblings of an old infidel upset anyone's religious convictions." - geoffkait 15:32:12 08/26/09 (7) RE: "But hey, don't let the grumblings of an old infidel upset anyone's religious convictions." - caspian@peak.org 16:06:12 08/26/09 (6) RE: "Keep it within the realm of known physics if possible, or resort to fairy dust if you must" - geoffkait 16:35:23 08/26/09 (5) Of resonators, dampers, diffusors, etc. - caspian@peak.org 09:19:58 08/28/09 (3) RE: "Play with your little gizmos and doohickeys all you want, and enjoy their tremendous imaginary benefits" - geoffkait 11:52:29 08/28/09 (2) Ah, but I DO employ those approaches - caspian@peak.org 13:38:39 08/28/09 (1) RE: Ah, but I DO employ those approaches - geoffkait 13:45:05 08/28/09 (0) RE: "Measuring is like the weather, everyone talks about it but noone ever does anything about it. :-)" - rick_m 20:41:45 08/26/09 (0) Ok - kerr 09:00:17 08/26/09 (0) Fanciful suggestions! - bjh 14:28:46 08/25/09 (0) RE: Uh Oh......It's Getting Stronger, Now What? - john curl 12:08:40 08/25/09 (1) RE: Uh Oh......It's Getting Stronger, Now What? - bjh 12:20:10 08/25/09 (0) Well, let's see now. We've been pointing out the placebo effect for ages . . . - Pat D 07:30:53 08/25/09 (8) Depnds on what you find rational to be - not the same for us all...(nt) - mkuller 13:42:39 08/25/09 (6) You are simply avoiding the problem. - Pat D 13:57:50 08/25/09 (5) Perhaps you are the one with the problem...(nt) - mkuller 18:20:24 08/25/09 (4) Perhaps not, too. - Pat D 06:59:49 08/26/09 (3) You have a point.... - mkuller 11:28:21 08/26/09 (1) Two - E-Stat 14:31:27 08/26/09 (0) RE: Perhaps not, too. - Tony Lauck 08:45:11 08/26/09 (0) Poor Pat, zero sense of humour! nt - bjh 08:26:06 08/25/09 (0) RE: Uh Oh......It's Getting Stronger, Now What? - bjh 21:18:52 08/24/09 (0)
	Asynchronous USB vs Asynchronous DAC	Sordidman 8-27-2009 13:59	6	8-29-2009 17:55 by Tony Lauck
Please refrain from polluting this forum with - bjh 09:44:41 08/29/09 (0) RE: Asynchronous USB vs Asynchronous DAC - Tony Lauck 17:37:43 08/27/09 (4) Thank you Tony! Really appreciate that great explanation - Sordidman 08:51:44 08/28/09 (3) RE: Thank you Tony! Really appreciate that great explanation - Tony Lauck 09:32:20 08/28/09 (2) RE: Thank you Tony! Really appreciate that great explanation - Sordidman 17:11:57 08/29/09 (1) RE: Thank you Tony! Really appreciate that great explanation - Tony Lauck 17:55:34 08/29/09 (0)
	The Real Belief System Exposed.............	Todd Krieger 8-13-2009 00:13	172	8-29-2009 07:18 by robert young
RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - rditmars 16:46:42 08/18/09 (4) This Is Off-Topic Too......... - Todd Krieger 19:27:48 08/18/09 (3) The X-axis - "Stereo-width discrimination threshold" - rditmars 07:48:45 08/19/09 (1) RE: The X-axis - "Stereo-width discrimination threshold" - Todd Krieger 12:18:52 08/19/09 (0) RE: This Is Off-Topic Too......... - Tony Lauck 19:46:55 08/18/09 (0) I disagree - Don Till 09:48:57 08/18/09 (47) RE: I disagree - Donald North 05:10:31 08/19/09 (29) RE: I disagree - Don Till 06:21:13 08/19/09 (0) RE: I disagree - kerr 05:44:36 08/19/09 (27) RE: I disagree - Don Till 05:57:11 08/19/09 (26) That little smiley-face at the end... - robert young 08:29:26 08/19/09 (25) Agree, but to split hairs... - E-Stat 09:47:20 08/19/09 (24) RE: Agree, but to split hairs... - john curl 10:06:09 08/19/09 (23) You Mean Like When AJinFLA Made Sexual Innuendos About My Wife & A Subwoofer? - thetubeguy1954 06:44:50 08/21/09 (0) And further... - kerr 11:42:31 08/19/09 (20) So you think just any old 'blind' test will do? What of controls? - Pat D 12:45:48 08/23/09 (19) RE: So you think just any old 'blind' test will do? What of controls? - kerr 15:22:48 08/23/09 (0) No pat, no breaks given. - robert young 14:12:40 08/23/09 (17) What on earth are you talking about? - Pat D 19:02:31 08/25/09 (11) You know exactly what I'm talking about: you replied. - robert young 02:32:01 08/26/09 (10) Since you don't accept the results of any DBTs . . . - Pat D 06:57:42 08/26/09 (9) Mr. Teflon...where are the valid DBTs? Does jj have them in a box somewhere? - robert young 07:38:21 08/26/09 (8) You won't accept any DBTs. No use discussing the matter with you. (nt) - Pat D 07:54:35 08/26/09 (7) Thought you'd try one of your teflon escapes. - robert young 08:43:08 08/26/09 (6) Nonsense. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to support you allegations against me. - Pat D 15:55:16 08/26/09 (5) Bullshit Pat. Try to get back on topic. - robert young 03:27:11 08/27/09 (4) You make the charge, you get to provide the evidence--if you can. - Pat D 13:39:19 08/27/09 (3) Stop being such a pathetic whiny baby, pat. - robert young 19:24:20 08/27/09 (2) Robert Young thinks asking for evidence is whining! (nt) - Pat D 14:06:37 08/28/09 (1) The pitch of your whining is increasing. - robert young 07:18:20 08/29/09 (0) RE: No pat, no breaks given. - Tony Lauck 13:49:58 08/24/09 (3) RE: No pat, no breaks given. - robert young 14:16:25 08/24/09 (2) RE: No pat, no breaks given. - Tony Lauck 14:38:08 08/24/09 (1) agreed. - robert young 15:26:48 08/24/09 (0) Isn't That The Truth? (nt) - thetubeguy1954 13:07:10 08/24/09 (0) Yeah, but that went right over Don's head :) -nt - E-Stat 10:16:45 08/19/09 (0) Your Response is Totally Off-Topic, But............. - Todd Krieger 19:11:18 08/18/09 (0) RE: I disagree - john curl 14:08:08 08/18/09 (1) RE: I disagree - Don Till 16:01:31 08/18/09 (0) You described your Phantasy World - nothing more. N/T - carcass93 12:46:47 08/18/09 (11) Beats vicariously experiencing it then attempting to build it up by beating on a strawman. nt - Don Till 16:43:16 08/18/09 (10) After reading your post, I think I know what "ANTI-audiophile wacko" means... - carcass93 19:33:06 08/18/09 (9) A detectivist, magazine reader who can't wait for the next recommended components list is an anti-audiophie - Don Till 22:41:09 08/18/09 (5) I've no idea who you're talking about, and also don't know what "detectivist" means. - carcass93 09:08:06 08/19/09 (3) Be Very Careful Carcass Don T Doesn't Play Fair - thetubeguy1954 13:39:51 08/24/09 (0) psst... - bjh 11:01:50 08/19/09 (0) Another hollow defensive contentless attacking response. - Don Till 10:29:41 08/19/09 (0) RE: A detectivist, magazine reader who can't wait for the next recommended components list is an anti-audiophie - bjh 04:23:17 08/19/09 (0) RE: After reading your post, I think I know what "ANTI-audiophile wacko" means... - Tony Lauck 19:53:27 08/18/09 (2) Fine line. - carcass93 09:11:09 08/19/09 (1) RE: Fine line. - Tony Lauck 09:39:22 08/19/09 (0) RE: I disagree - bjh 12:42:36 08/18/09 (1) Shoo fly! nt - Don Till 16:47:55 08/18/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - anthonyh 08:07:27 08/17/09 (2) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Todd Krieger 15:33:53 08/17/09 (1) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - anthonyh 08:38:33 08/18/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - john curl 20:31:06 08/15/09 (2) Does it really matter what a few think? nt - Norm 07:39:04 08/17/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Todd Krieger 20:55:38 08/15/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 19:20:38 08/14/09 (42) Speaking of the Carver Challenge - E-Stat 17:25:57 08/17/09 (0) My attempt at drawing the line, following your logic and recommendations: - carcass93 11:08:13 08/17/09 (0) "authenticity can be easily disputed": can someone please dispute the existence of this post? - dave c 03:58:25 08/17/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - john curl 10:45:53 08/16/09 (27) The problem is many people "hear differences" when they compare a component with itself - Richard BassNut Greene 08:58:01 08/17/09 (23) RE: The problem is many people "hear differences" when they compare a component with itself - Todd Krieger 15:59:46 08/17/09 (10) "I just don't think it's a big deal whenever this occurs". - Richard BassNut Greene 08:08:54 08/18/09 (9) RE: "I just don't think it's a big deal whenever this occurs". - john curl 08:36:16 08/18/09 (8) Audiophiles are forced to make a choice every time they buy a component - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:28 08/19/09 (7) RE: Audiophiles are forced to make a choice every time they buy a component - anthonyh 07:12:21 08/20/09 (4) "no competent audiophile claims that EVERYTHING sounds different" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:00:17 08/20/09 (3) RE: "no competent audiophile claims that EVERYTHING sounds different" - anthonyh 08:47:09 08/20/09 (2) RE: "no competent audiophile claims that EVERYTHING sounds different" - john curl 21:16:00 08/20/09 (1) "If you can't hear any significant differences, why bother with audio components at all? " - Richard BassNut Greene 08:41:50 08/21/09 (0) RE: Audiophiles are forced to make a choice every time they buy a component - john curl 09:26:35 08/19/09 (1) I only defined "liar" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:42 08/21/09 (0) RE: The problem is many people "hear differences" when they compare a component with itself - john curl 10:14:52 08/17/09 (11) "What is in it for YOU? Are you trying to help, or are you trying to make trouble? " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:32:56 08/18/09 (10) "Help other audiophiles when you're our age" - kerr 09:45:24 08/18/09 (6) I seriously doubt that any further aging - E-Stat 17:13:58 08/19/09 (3) Do your own research -- do your own tests -- then tell us how well you can hear - Richard BassNut Greene 07:54:26 08/20/09 (2) That's "research???" - robert young 14:10:16 08/21/09 (0) Great proof, El Nutto ! - E-Stat 08:16:08 08/20/09 (0) Kerr the Comedian - Richard BassNut Greene 08:49:07 08/19/09 (1) Your MIL - kerr 09:30:18 08/19/09 (0) All Recorded Music Sounds the Same. - Tony Lauck 08:06:29 08/18/09 (2) I suspect that - E-Stat 09:05:23 08/18/09 (0) For your repeated and lame insults, you may ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:10:51 08/18/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Todd Krieger 01:13:03 08/17/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - rick_m 12:23:37 08/16/09 (1) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - john curl 15:25:08 08/16/09 (0) Speaker break-in - andy_c 21:13:12 08/14/09 (6) RE: Speaker break-in - gymwear5@hotmail.com 16:43:11 08/15/09 (2) RE: Speaker break-in - thetubeguy1954 12:51:28 08/17/09 (1) Just As I Expected Gym. You Have NO PROOF! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 06:36:30 08/21/09 (0) RE: Speaker break-in - rick_m 22:30:11 08/14/09 (2) RE: Speaker break-in - andy_c 09:35:38 08/16/09 (1) RE: Speaker break-in - rick_m 10:18:25 08/16/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Todd Krieger 19:45:42 08/14/09 (3) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Tony Lauck 20:30:21 08/14/09 (2) Sounds like the "Animal House" of audiophilia :-) (nt) - andy_c 21:24:19 08/14/09 (1) That's for sure! Education certainly wouldn't appear to have been a priority. - bjh 06:55:07 08/15/09 (0) Some of the responses refute your contentions. - Pat D 07:20:35 08/14/09 (35) You Miss the Point............. - Todd Krieger 11:12:33 08/14/09 (19) You've been told ... - bjh 11:33:08 08/14/09 (18) You're Missing the Point Too....... - Todd Krieger 12:19:44 08/14/09 (17) You're Missing the Point Three - Richard BassNut Greene 13:31:59 08/14/09 (13) Ask Bill Clinton - Tony Lauck 18:04:23 08/14/09 (0) Again, Missing the Point ............... - Todd Krieger 15:30:15 08/14/09 (10) RE: Again, Missing the Point ............... - thetubeguy1954 11:44:28 08/15/09 (2) And, further... - kerr 14:48:24 08/15/09 (1) RE: And, further... - thetubeguy1954 08:14:10 08/17/09 (0) Only... - E-Stat 15:46:17 08/14/09 (6) RE: Only... - Todd Krieger 16:04:13 08/14/09 (5) You've got the hart before the course. - rick_m 11:28:41 08/16/09 (2) Yet Again, Missing the Point.............. - Todd Krieger 00:53:47 08/17/09 (1) RE:The Point is... - rick_m 08:56:50 08/17/09 (0) RE: Only... - Tony Lauck 18:06:48 08/14/09 (0) Fine - E-Stat 17:04:26 08/14/09 (0) Did you ever figure out how to answer the question below? - E-Stat 15:08:12 08/14/09 (0) "In order to stop this "dumb game" once and for all." Good luck with that! :) nt - bjh 12:36:27 08/14/09 (2) It's all your fault - Richard BassNut Greene 13:33:34 08/14/09 (1) RE: It's all your fault - bjh 20:19:02 08/14/09 (0) So tell us - does your equipment allow you to detect differences? - carcass93 09:50:22 08/14/09 (13) You're confused again. - Pat D 09:45:39 08/16/09 (12) What's so difficult about question "Does YOUR equipment allow you to detect differences?" - carcass93 11:02:43 08/17/09 (11) Learn to read. - Pat D 15:35:41 08/17/09 (10) Geez... You didn't understand my question, let alone answering it. - carcass93 16:08:28 08/17/09 (9) Mr. Teflon has difficulty with the English language -nt - E-Stat 15:42:27 08/18/09 (8) Clearly - why else phantasize about tube amps and cables, when asked about HIS equipment? - carcass93 17:52:06 08/18/09 (7) Sheep and wolves - Tony Lauck 19:03:10 08/18/09 (6) And the sheep sure like to talk about cables :) -nt - E-Stat 19:09:04 08/18/09 (5) Three guys whining who never --well, hardly ever--talk about their experience. (nt) - Pat D 06:55:12 08/19/09 (4) One guy pretending to have difficulty expressing himself in English, in addition ... - carcass93 09:26:15 08/19/09 (2) You're a self-fulfilling prophesy! (nt) - Pat D 14:02:23 08/19/09 (1) "prophesy"??? I see that your difficulties extend not only into verbal, but into written English as well. N/T - carcass93 14:32:33 08/19/09 (0) Absolutely! - E-Stat 07:28:46 08/19/09 (0) Well let me state for the record I don't think you would ever like any tube equipment better - Analog Scott 08:30:43 08/14/09 (0) hasn't this been beat to death? - tesla 09:21:06 08/13/09 (11) Yes, but if enough time elapses, the members have Jesus resurrect it. - kurt s 22:01:04 08/14/09 (0) Beat Yes, But.......... - Todd Krieger 12:01:54 08/13/09 (0) Sure, but... - kerr 10:39:22 08/13/09 (1) RE: ...mistaken belief that there are no sonic differences in cables. - rick_m 13:25:38 08/16/09 (0) I'm with you, Tesla - LarryB 09:37:09 08/13/09 (6) RE: I'm with you, Tesla - bjh 09:39:59 08/13/09 (5) Sorry, but you've lost me - LarryB 09:41:51 08/13/09 (4) Quelle surprise! nt - bjh 10:02:54 08/13/09 (3) Were you born rude... - LarryB 10:19:39 08/13/09 (2) If your ego is as fragile as your post suggests I would - bjh 10:39:17 08/13/09 (1) You will not have to till me twice. - LarryB 10:42:49 08/13/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - bjh 07:33:24 08/13/09 (14) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Todd Krieger 11:43:35 08/13/09 (12) Here Here! - thetubeguy1954 04:47:12 08/14/09 (1) Jeez you'd think an audiophile would get Hear, Hear! correct. :) nt - bjh 06:44:34 08/14/09 (0) Ignore, don't slam, jerks. nt - Tony Lauck 12:17:23 08/13/09 (9) Why? Isn't that why we're here - to have fun, using any and all means available? N/T - carcass93 15:22:22 08/13/09 (0) I Would, But........... - Todd Krieger 12:36:45 08/13/09 (7) Problem is the Industry, not a few Internet jerks. - Tony Lauck 14:16:51 08/13/09 (3) RE: Problem is the Industry, not a few Internet jerks. - Todd Krieger 14:25:44 08/13/09 (2) RE: Problem is the Industry, not a few Internet jerks. - Tony Lauck 13:19:12 08/14/09 (0) RE: Problem is the Industry, not a few Internet jerks. - Tony Lauck 14:32:41 08/13/09 (0) I don't know about the contention that their imfluence has - bjh 13:53:58 08/13/09 (2) RE: I don't know about the contention that their imfluence has - Todd Krieger 14:23:49 08/13/09 (1) RE: I don't know about the contention that their imfluence has - kerr 06:36:52 08/14/09 (0) RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. - Analog Scott 10:20:49 08/13/09 (0) Then why do so many audiophiles whine about DBTs? - Pat D 06:51:01 08/13/09 (6) You Guys Have No Idea What a DBT Really Is........ - Todd Krieger 11:59:16 08/13/09 (3) The worst fallacy - E-Stat 12:23:21 08/13/09 (2) Pseudoscience... - mkuller 15:02:01 08/13/09 (1) RE: Pseudoscience... - Todd Krieger 16:30:29 08/13/09 (0) Why do the anit-audiophiles bring them up? - mkuller 11:00:14 08/13/09 (0) RE: Then why do so many audiophiles whine about DBTs? - Analog Scott 10:14:25 08/13/09 (0)
	Who Said This? ..............	Todd Krieger 8-25-2009 01:52	21	8-26-2009 21:53 by andy_c
Honestly, before I googled.. - Axon 20:01:38 08/25/09 (9) RE: Honestly, before I googled.. - Pat D 06:04:58 08/26/09 (8) RE: Honestly, before I googled.. - Todd Krieger 10:02:12 08/26/09 (4) Not my problem. - Pat D 15:14:56 08/26/09 (3) How about anti-audiophile reviewers? (nt) - mkuller 15:35:58 08/26/09 (2) He still has no idea - or just pretends (I wouldn't be surprised). N/T - carcass93 17:21:32 08/26/09 (1) He knows - that's why he's so defensive - one of his idols...(nt) - mkuller 19:38:56 08/26/09 (0) Geez Pat, it's getting ridiculous... I mean, SO not getting what this is about. - carcass93 08:48:53 08/26/09 (2) I suggest you ask Todd! Maybe he knows . . . or not. (nt) - Pat D 15:24:21 08/26/09 (1) Your "no comprehending any English" act is getting old, Pat. - carcass93 17:13:51 08/26/09 (0) I give up! - Don Till 19:50:28 08/25/09 (1) Ehhh! - E-Stat 19:54:36 08/25/09 (0) Who cares? - Pat D 18:37:29 08/25/09 (7) RE: Who cares? - Todd Krieger 19:28:28 08/25/09 (6) RE: Who cares? - Pat D 06:00:26 08/26/09 (5) RE: Who cares? - Todd Krieger 09:55:43 08/26/09 (3) RE: Who cares? - Pat D 20:45:11 08/26/09 (2) RE: Who cares? - Todd Krieger 21:31:11 08/26/09 (1) Speaking of fraud - sold any phony health insurance lately? - andy_c 21:53:38 08/26/09 (0) What was that I mentioned about the void needing to be filled? nt - robert young 07:39:20 08/26/09 (0) RE: Who Said This? .............. - bjh 09:00:09 08/25/09 (0)
	See how quiet this place gets when there's no one to argue with?	kerr 8-24-2009 09:13	42	8-26-2009 17:08 by andy_c
Hey, can I help? - caspian@peak.org 13:48:14 08/25/09 (11) Let's see... - rick_m 18:46:18 08/25/09 (1) RE: Let's see... - kerr 05:09:12 08/26/09 (0) RE: Hey, can I help? - kerr 14:44:03 08/25/09 (2) RE: Hey, can I help? - caspian@peak.org 21:09:51 08/25/09 (1) RE: Hey, can I help? - kerr 05:06:27 08/26/09 (0) Great post... - robert young 14:07:32 08/25/09 (0) So, what's your opinion (multiple choice) on the following claim: - carcass93 14:05:55 08/25/09 (4) RE: So, what's your opinion (multiple choice) on the following claim: - caspian@peak.org 20:43:37 08/25/09 (0) There's a fifth option - kerr 14:48:21 08/25/09 (2) No place to hide your decadent subjectivism. - carcass93 17:56:35 08/25/09 (1) RE: No place to hide your decadent subjectivism. - kerr 05:11:29 08/26/09 (0) What exactly is the purpose of this forum? - Paul_A 18:29:59 08/24/09 (8) RE: What exactly is the purpose of this forum? - andy19191 01:05:00 08/25/09 (5) I knew you didn't find us "unattractive"! - kerr 04:59:46 08/25/09 (3) And remember - E-Stat 06:04:10 08/25/09 (2) How could I forget? - kerr 06:22:28 08/25/09 (1) And this line... - E-Stat 11:04:29 08/25/09 (0) See? I told you he'd fill the void! - robert young 04:17:07 08/25/09 (0) As originator of said thread, I'm flattered - but can't take credit... - carcass93 20:11:41 08/24/09 (1) LOL - kerr 05:02:42 08/25/09 (0) There Are Still Other Objectivists Here @ PHP - thetubeguy1954 15:09:56 08/24/09 (0) There will always be someone to fill the void. - robert young 13:46:29 08/24/09 (7) RE: There will always be someone to fill the void. - andy19191 01:00:48 08/25/09 (1) Thanks Dr. Science...(nt) - mkuller 10:25:04 08/25/09 (0) Andy19191 committed "posting suicide" - E-Stat 16:32:20 08/24/09 (1) He has resurrected from the dead !!! -nt - E-Stat 16:30:31 08/25/09 (0) RE: There will always be someone to fill the void. - bjh 14:29:38 08/24/09 (2) RE: There will always be someone to fill the void. - kerr 14:38:45 08/24/09 (1) Oh, fell prey to that did he... - bjh 20:36:27 08/24/09 (0) Making the AA better - bjh 12:48:01 08/24/09 (0) Maybe they can join mtry and become - E-Stat 11:49:58 08/24/09 (0) Such inability to learn is beyond me. - carcass93 10:50:16 08/24/09 (1) It begs the question: "Would you expect any less from the self described Cliff Claven of Audio?" - musetap 14:06:31 08/24/09 (0) The phrase "loyal opposition" comes to mind :-) - andy_c 10:45:07 08/24/09 (7) Like Elmer Fudd ...(nt) - mkuller 20:56:59 08/24/09 (0) This Is It aka (Bugs Bunny Overture) - thetubeguy1954 12:19:15 08/24/09 (5) Yup, that was the beginning - andy_c 12:31:46 08/24/09 (4) RE: Yup, that was the beginning - thetubeguy1954 14:53:06 08/24/09 (3) RE: Yup, that was the beginning - andy_c 15:20:50 08/24/09 (2) Excellent!!! nt - felrob 13:04:57 08/26/09 (1) Hehe - andy_c 17:08:44 08/26/09 (0)

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