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If you read my posts to the thread, you'll find that I disagree

Posted by Timbo in Oz on August 8, 2012 at 19:41:56:

But I can't be certain that it is better for me than those without the training. Because we are all stuck inside ourselves.

Would you expect someone who attends a lot of live classical concerts and is a 'phile to get more out of listening - anywhere, than someone who attends far less concerts. Because I would, on average / all other things being equal.

I still think it's most unlikely that anyone without any training in music can be as exalted by music as I am. I know few people for whom it matters as much.

Do you think you could ever enjoy a piece of excellently made and beautiful furniture you bought, as much as the person who made it always will?

I am aware also that I care about the minutiae and the whole in ways some very good musicians just don't.

Our main organist can't get why I love old or modern tracker-action pipe organs over the much more common electrically operated remote console pipe organs. Our second organist can hear why, though it's not a big issue to him either. I can see why having an electric motor driving the air-box's pump is a good thing, one less slavish job at least, and a constant air pressure.

When listening to recordings I can be bothered by excess microphones, close-miking added to distant miking, .... by the mix, which I do not want to hear, ever.

I do know that a greater in depth understanding of lots of things means that those who have it and where I do, are good at explaining and assessing those things, I get asked to by friends. Viz. Our number two organist is also a tenor in our choir and as the console is right in 'the quire' he usually sings with us, when ever the organ score allows! He is always interested in my comments

I'm sure I enjoy more types of music than for example someone who just hates HIP approaches, and often hates/undervalues anything but white tie and tails classical. My quotient od pleasure is higher that way.

I know I enjoy singing at our annual twinned Christmas Carol services, one in the RC Cathedral and one in our Anglican (Episcopalian) Church of St Pauls, with both choirs and with instruments and organ.

And I can feel that I do get more out of it than my wife who comes to both, she isn't a musician, I am.

When I listen to music just in the audience or at home, I am doing all that any music lover is doing, but I know that my knowledge enhances the feelings, say with a difficult but not obviously difficult section or whole piece. I'm also, at one and the same time, and especially at the end of each movement and each piece, making an instant instinctive assessment of what they made of that structure, the piece as a whole, or even so far.

I am still learning how to do that with paintings and sculpture, where I am a lot further behind than I am with music which also still grows. Yes, I can draw although I need to be fresh and centred to do it remotely well.

LBNL, I used to have a side-line business setting up new home audio systems / enhancing existing set-ups. "I can hear more." etc, etc.

In short, it's giving more of a shit than most can, or want to IME&O.

LBNL I think much of post-modernist thinking is specious crap. By definition some great stuff must happen and does do in the popular genres, but Achey Breakey just ain't greatey. 'Kay?