Less PRAT not NO prat......

Posted by tubesforever (M) on September 19, 2006 at 16:11:00

In Reply to: No Prat, but you like it?(nt) posted by vinyl-addict on September 19, 2006 at 13:56:08:

Idlers are superb PRAT turntables...details are realistically projected like you are there in a recording studio. I would characterize the sound as tight and direct. It is awesome for Rock and Roll.

Belt drives like my Thorens and Linn had nearly inky black bacgrounds and had an introspective feel like being half way back in the hall.

The thread drive on this N-33H is simply sublime. It has the same inky black background as my Thorens project table but with greater bass and slam. It sounds more like being right there in the pit of the orchestra than my idlers sound.

Moreover the 3 D soundstage is the most lifelike you could imagine.

There is enough space between instruments and depth to the soundfield that you could easily take a stroll on the stage and move around between the players. This is an experience I generally only get on extremely well recorded LP's with my best cartridge and tonearm.

I heard this on all my LP's last night and with the clunky stock Rek O Cut model 120 stereo arm with about 20 tons of effective mass. Plus no antiskate, so my channel balance was off as well.

I cannot wait to hear this with my fav arm and cartridges.

The thread drive is night and day different from the belt...I played both back and forth (not easy with thread by the way) and the thread just allowed the music to roll over me like a big ocean wave. In contrast the belt drive sounded like the sound was pushing and pulling.

The belt drive was fine, the thread drive was unbelieveably awesome. I can see now why Ray O Stat commented that a three phase motor and thread drive turned his perspective of turntable playback upside down. It did exactly the same for my non optimized platform.

I will keep an idler for rock and keep the thread drive for jazz and classical--and maybe Pink Floyd too! I cannot wait to listen to it on some marginal albums tonight just to see how the sound stage will sound on non optimal recordings.

The thread drive is simply sublime. I will give up a little prat any day of the year to hear a soundstage this convincingly real. And I am not even done tweaking anything yet! Mosin warned me about this. I just did not understand what he was saying until I experienced the sound for myself.

My speed control is off, so I need to do some mods to get the speed properly adjusted. And I need to learn to tie a better knot (probably easier without a bunch of Bourbon!)

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Topic - Rek-O-Kut / Papst project starts - Mark Kelly 22:17:36 09/18/06 (17)

Re: Rek-O-Kut / Papst project starts - jweiss 16:39:21 09/19/06 (1)

Without seeing the motor I can't be sure - Mark Kelly 17:11:12 09/19/06 (0)

Hey Mark! - Mikey 12:40:26 09/19/06 (0)

Correction - Mark Kelly 02:33:54 09/19/06 (1)

Re: Correction - mosin 11:16:10 09/19/06 (0)

Re: Rek-O-Kut / Papst project starts - grinagog 22:31:41 09/18/06 (11)

Re: Rek-O-Kut / Papst project starts - mosin 11:17:45 09/19/06 (3)

Mosin, with a upholstery thread on my N-33H..... - tubesforever 13:35:35 09/19/06 (2)

No Prat, but you like it?(nt) - vinyl-addict 13:56:08 09/19/06 (1)

Less PRAT not NO prat...... - tubesforever 16:11:00 09/19/06 (0)

Not mine - Mark Kelly 23:38:03 09/18/06 (6)

Have you closely inspected that pulley.... - tubesforever 23:58:05 09/18/06 (5)

Definitely machined - Mark Kelly 00:58:39 09/19/06 (4)

Re: Definitely machined - mosin 11:27:52 09/19/06 (1)

If you can deliver a drawing, I will have my brother in law machine some for us! - tubesforever 14:26:42 09/19/06 (0)

Re: ROK and Empire very similar designs - grinagog 01:28:17 09/19/06 (1)

Re: ROK and Empire very similar designs - mosin 11:22:40 09/19/06 (0)

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Less PRAT not NO prat...... - tubesforever 16:11:00 09/19/06 (0)

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