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In Reply to: Re: er... posted by Werner on September 15, 2006 at 04:30:32:
Ok, that sounds intersting.However, I still think that it ultimately boils down to simple lack of 'time-domain resolution' (which isn't the same thing as band-width or frequency response) and that this is intractable.
IMV, a 44.1Hz sample rate doesn't actually 'resolve' above about 8KHz (if that), whatever the various threorums say about 'reconstructing' frequencies above this with anti-aliasing et al.
Anyway, in the D/A process (which I would maintain is where the real conumdrum lies) you mentioned 'ringing' on signal edges with complex over-sampling filters, there is also the issue of phase-shifting of harmonic content (loss of 'time domain' coherence). Both of these profoundly effect perceived timbre, despite measuring as tiny numbers as 'THD'.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - The room we are in is the "Vinyl Asylum" and Vinyl is an analog format. - Teresa 12:54:33 09/14/06 (187)
- Re: The room we are in is the "Vinyl Asylum" and Vinyl is an analog format. - qualityman 02:33:53 09/16/06 (1)
- Dang, Good Thread Teresa!! - Vinyleer 17:19:51 09/15/06 (0)
- Teresa, in the business world, money talks. If only you put this much energy into selling analog Lps already out there. - jdaniel 12:21:34 09/15/06 (0)
- Looks like you have lots of free time between meals! nt - pt109 04:40:36 09/15/06 (0)
- What A Crock (Long) - Dogface1956 22:57:37 09/14/06 (9)
- Seconded . . . strongly (plonk). /nt\ - HenryH 03:57:46 09/15/06 (0)
- You do know I own a DVD-Audio player don't you? And have owned SACD in the past, but CD, CD? really CD? - Teresa 00:58:02 09/15/06 (0)
- "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." - powermatic 23:24:52 09/14/06 (6)
- Re: 'Chinatown' - one of the all-time greats. - Aleksunder 14:41:51 09/15/06 (3)
- "L.A.C." good- "Chinatown" great. Superb noir, and I mean - powermatic 16:02:52 09/15/06 (2)
- Re: "L.A.C." good- "Chinatown" great. Superb noir, and I mean - Aleksunder 16:15:13 09/15/06 (1)
- Re: Dahlia - powermatic 19:26:35 09/15/06 (0)
- So are you actually saying you wouldn't prefer your new LPs to be from Analog masters? - Teresa 01:00:34 09/15/06 (1)
- Of course I'd like that, but I'd also like to live on Big Rock Candy Mountain. - powermatic 12:17:11 09/15/06 (0)
- Quit pimping your website. Once was enough. - j. barleycorn 20:08:43 09/14/06 (2)
- It’s an information only website I sell nothing. Just the happiness Analog music in all forms brings. - Teresa 20:18:49 09/14/06 (1)
- That's beside the point, and who's to know it won't turn commercial tomorrow? - j. barleycorn 04:33:19 09/15/06 (0)
- It's pretty much all in the mastering... - KyleCoppers 19:09:51 09/14/06 (0)
- you really are totally full of... - tunenut 18:43:51 09/14/06 (0)
- Many recognize the Vinyl Asylum as one of the better AA destinations - bjh 18:38:10 09/14/06 (1)
- What's wrong with people expressing there thoughts - IBSmiester 18:20:28 09/14/06 (0)
- Why you should not put this on your site, Teresa. - raphsdad 18:00:44 09/14/06 (12)
- misleading only in the fact that in is a 10kHz sine wave not a music signal. - Teresa 20:13:07 09/14/06 (11)
- er... - raphsdad 20:35:08 09/14/06 (10)
- I guess I'm just fortunate enough to enjoy both mediums....NT - nubz 17:41:04 09/14/06 (0)
- Well, there'll be peace in Iraq before there's peace here ... - SamA 17:39:41 09/14/06 (0)
- Hey, I've got an LP that sounds like a CD! - raphsdad 17:32:47 09/14/06 (3)
- It could be digitally re-mastered, they don't always put it on they cover or notes ... - Teresa 20:23:22 09/14/06 (0)
- I agree about that LP. Just imagine how bad the ceedee must sound? - artemus 17:51:26 09/14/06 (1)
- Hey, you know what? - olddude55 17:56:26 09/14/06 (0)
- Troll's do not always initiate a thread Sometimes they hi-jack... - hcman 17:22:35 09/14/06 (0)
- Pure and simple - it's trash "science" and doesn't prove squat! - Don T 17:16:56 09/14/06 (5)
- Re: Pure and simple - it's trash "science" and doesn't prove squat! - raphsdad 17:23:40 09/14/06 (4)
- Read this...then you'll understand why 2.2 samples is enough - NewStevo 20:54:50 09/14/06 (0)
- But it is enough! - Don T 19:10:28 09/14/06 (0)
- Predicting the area under the curve...Not much under a 20kHz wave to predict...nt - tweakk 17:31:32 09/14/06 (0)
- i concur - blackwax@mac.com 17:29:53 09/14/06 (0)
- I wouldn't want to listen to a digital source through your system either...nt - tweakk 17:16:19 09/14/06 (0)
- The answer to your question is... - SF tech 16:32:07 09/14/06 (3)
- Yeah,..... - Ozzy 16:35:44 09/14/06 (2)
- She started a website 2 weeks ago - www.records 17:28:39 09/14/06 (1)
- LOL~! - kuma 19:52:27 09/14/06 (0)
- Just when I think you can't get any sillier........ - Ozzy 16:23:38 09/14/06 (1)
- Harumpf!!!!! ;8^) /nt\ - HenryH 16:32:31 09/14/06 (0)
- Re: The room we are in is the "Vinyl Asylum" and Vinyl is an analog format. - Ugly 16:10:53 09/14/06 (0)
- yes, the water is warm - OMalley 16:04:48 09/14/06 (2)
- OMally you nailed them "apologists for the digital heresy" (nt) - Teresa 20:32:17 09/14/06 (1)
- Re: them "apologists...." - powermatic 20:46:34 09/15/06 (0)
- I think you've gone off the deep end! - vinyl-addict 15:42:51 09/14/06 (0)
- Wide dynamic range is one thing important to accurate reproduction - nightdoggy 15:32:14 09/14/06 (4)
- Re: Wide dynamic range is one thing important to accurate reproduction - George Mann 00:47:55 09/15/06 (3)
- OK but I'm talking about dynamic range - nightdoggy 10:42:33 09/15/06 (2)
- Re: OK but I'm talking about dynamic range - George Mann 22:56:03 09/15/06 (1)
- Read this post before responding... - George Mann 23:36:34 09/15/06 (0)
- CD's biggest problem........ no '24 hour" rule to guide playback. 8^}.nt - Scottrt 15:21:05 09/14/06 (2)
- You owe me a new screen; I can't get all of the noodles off of it. )MT( - J. S. Bach 09:27:37 09/15/06 (0)
- Re: CD's biggest problem........ no '24 hour" rule to guide playback. 8^}.nt - matt67bianco 15:52:52 09/14/06 (0)
- Re: The room we are in is the "Vinyl Asylum" and Vinyl is an analog format. - Aleksunder 15:18:52 09/14/06 (1)
- Excellent story and it explains a lot of what happened here in Reno - Teresa 15:26:10 09/14/06 (0)
- Summary of Teresa's position: "Math class is tough!" -nt - Axon 14:53:11 09/14/06 (2)
- There is a digital disturbance that her tinfoil hat isn't filtering out. (nt) - Tightwad 15:13:43 09/14/06 (0)
- WRONG!!!! My position is PRO-DIGITAL propaganda belongs on Digital Drive (nt) - Teresa 14:56:33 09/14/06 (0)
- Who are you addressing? - soundnut 14:51:39 09/14/06 (14)
- Re: Who are you addressing? - Fred J 15:13:21 09/14/06 (3)
- Good one Fred! - vinylkid58 16:04:45 09/14/06 (2)
- Re: Good one Fred! (Totally OT) - Fred J 16:39:42 09/14/06 (1)
- Re: Good one Fred! (Totally OT) - vinylkid58 23:23:48 09/14/06 (0)
- You are joking? Right? (nt) - Teresa 14:57:45 09/14/06 (9)
- No... I'm not joking. - soundnut 15:01:22 09/14/06 (8)
- I'm only talking to the Pro-Digital propaganda crowd, your not one of those are you? - Teresa 15:06:21 09/14/06 (7)
- If you mean by pro-digital... - soundnut 15:13:42 09/14/06 (6)
- My Confession :-(... - Fred J 15:41:33 09/14/06 (2)
- Close... from what I gather, it is the cousin of the lowly mp3. - soundnut 19:44:50 09/14/06 (0)
- me too.... - raphsdad 16:54:58 09/14/06 (0)
- wait until you here Patricia Barber on Vinyl LP. (nt) - Teresa 15:27:44 09/14/06 (2)
- I'd like to. I'd bet it sounds lovely. - soundnut 15:35:01 09/14/06 (0)
- Yeah. Gotta here that there vinyl . . .;8^) /nt\ - HenryH 15:31:29 09/14/06 (0)
- Theresa I have to tell you...I have some digitally-mastered LPs that sound terrific. - olddude55 14:51:32 09/14/06 (5)
- Re: Theresa I have to tell you...I have some digitally-mastered LPs that sound terrific. - Sherlock 17:07:12 09/14/06 (2)
- Irrelevant if the mastering sucks. - olddude55 17:24:25 09/14/06 (1)
- Re: Irrelevant if the mastering sucks. - Sherlock 18:04:04 09/14/06 (0)
- Agreed. There are good and not so good examples of both. - HenryH 15:05:43 09/14/06 (0)
- I concur. - soundnut 15:04:30 09/14/06 (0)
- Well, I'll give you one thing.... - Marshall W 14:50:05 09/14/06 (2)
- Cassettes are for the car and jogging. Just make sure it has Dolby and 70us EQ. - Teresa 14:55:10 09/14/06 (1)
- Dolby...ugh - derekva 22:51:06 09/15/06 (0)
- Teresa....there are a wide number of AES papers and graphs depicting correct information and not bogus lies. - tubesforever 14:48:58 09/14/06 (22)
- Tubes, keep an eye on my web site I will be posting the real deals over the weekend - Teresa 15:09:59 09/14/06 (0)
- The problem isn't in the CD and the problem isn't with digital itself... - olddude55 14:52:52 09/14/06 (20)
- Re: The problem isn't in the CD and the problem isn't with digital itself... - George Mann 21:45:11 09/14/06 (3)
- If you are going to come in here and debate; at least have the courtesy to register. )MT( - J. S. Bach 09:11:17 09/15/06 (1)
- I'm not here to debate... - George Mann 09:27:23 09/15/06 (0)
- Re: The problem isn't in the CD and the problem isn't with digital itself... - mothra 00:52:00 09/15/06 (0)
- Re: Yes! Thankyou olddude55, the truth will out! (nt) - MattC 15:29:37 09/14/06 (0)
- I don't buy this excuse either! (nt) - Teresa 14:59:24 09/14/06 (14)
- Well, that's entirely up to you, but it happens to be the truth. - olddude55 15:19:17 09/14/06 (13)
- Compare Reference Recordings early CDs with the same album. . . - risabet 21:30:12 09/14/06 (2)
- You miss my point - olddude55 02:29:03 09/15/06 (1)
- Indeed I did miss your point. . . - risabet 08:54:48 09/15/06 (0)
- But it would all be on better sounding analog if Digital hadn't hijacked our music. - Teresa 15:31:57 09/14/06 (6)
- Re: But it would all be on better sounding analog if Digital hadn't hijacked our music. - George Mann 22:33:06 09/14/06 (2)
- George you have free use of my web site if that will help. - Teresa 22:37:34 09/14/06 (1)
- Re: George you have free use of my web site if that will help. - George Mann 22:45:19 09/14/06 (0)
- And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. - olddude55 15:44:56 09/14/06 (2)
- but most new recordings are still recorded Digitally. I thought Tony Falkner would lead everyone back to analog - Teresa 15:51:13 09/14/06 (1)
- As long as those new recordings have great sonics, I don't mind at all. - olddude55 15:57:09 09/14/06 (0)
- Yup. - soundnut 15:31:20 09/14/06 (2)
- God's own methane? That must be a heavenly stink! (nt) - Orso 16:52:29 09/14/06 (1)
- Hey Jesus...pull my finger! - derekva 22:54:36 09/15/06 (0)
- Time for a little Ethnic cleansing ? - Fred J 14:44:43 09/14/06 (3)
- I'm ready....I've got that militia pot belly going on...sign me up* - Ernie L 14:54:04 09/14/06 (2)
- By Golly Then it's time to lock and load ! ;-) (NT) - Fred J 15:24:54 09/14/06 (1)
- Chili dogs at ten paces! )MT( - J. S. Bach 09:05:41 09/15/06 (0)
- After two weeks offline . . . - Tightwad 14:30:49 09/14/06 (1)
- It's not dissent! Pro-Digital propaganda belongs on Digital Drive not here!!!! - Teresa 14:34:21 09/14/06 (0)
- The linked thread is still fresh. What do you hope to accomplish? (nt) - soulfood 14:18:19 09/14/06 (19)
- To send the Digital brigade back to Digital Drive and to NEVER have them post there Digital propaganda again ever! - Teresa 14:28:03 09/14/06 (18)
- We are sooo infiltrated. - soulfood 15:56:15 09/14/06 (0)
- It is YOU who are posting digital propaganda (i.e., falsehoods). We're trying to explain the truth..n/t - NewStevo 14:34:31 09/14/06 (16)
- Wrong! Go back to Digital Drive where you belong! (nt) - Teresa 14:35:38 09/14/06 (15)
- Halp! The paranoids are after me ! Mwahahaha! /nt\ - HenryH 14:58:36 09/14/06 (1)
- Infamy! Infamy! - raphsdad 17:39:34 09/14/06 (0)
- You are quite the analog terrorist, aren't you...LOL!..n/t - NewStevo 14:48:03 09/14/06 (4)
- No I want back the music you Digital Monsters stole from us! (nt) - Teresa 15:00:34 09/14/06 (0)
- Allahu Akbar !!...........it's a vinyl Jihad********************* - Ernie L 14:59:53 09/14/06 (2)
- No it's common sense against the Digital Jihad which DO NOT BELONG in the VINYL ASYLUM! (nt) - Teresa 15:02:00 09/14/06 (1)
- Oh...............I stand corrected * - Ernie L 15:04:47 09/14/06 (0)
- Observation... - the_spaminator 14:44:48 09/14/06 (6)
- You sir are a very rude person. Vinyl Asylum has been under attack for over 3 months by these Pro-Digital posters - Teresa 15:16:02 09/14/06 (5)
- Re: Vinyl Asylum has been under attack for over 3 months by these Pro-Digital posters - George Mann 22:39:24 09/14/06 (0)
- stay on your new website - BAN TERESA!!!! - blackwax@mac.com 17:47:32 09/14/06 (3)
- You are a very bad, insulting and rude man. Your mother would be as ashamed of you as I am. - Teresa 19:23:37 09/14/06 (2)
- Re: You are a very bad, insulting and rude man. Your mother would be as ashamed of you as I am. - blackwax@mac.com 21:18:24 09/14/06 (1)
- Go to your room without supper! Read this whole thread you are the head Analog basher and you own a great turntable! - Teresa 22:29:16 09/14/06 (0)
- Maybe this should be called the Analog Kindergarten. (nt) - Biff 14:41:35 09/14/06 (0)
- Here's a challenge for you. Report back what you see... - NewStevo 13:29:22 09/14/06 (12)
- I don't listen to oscilloscopes. Round here we listen to music, that is analog music. - Teresa 14:16:10 09/14/06 (5)
- It isn't about listening. It's about a plot that you think is correct but is NOT. - NewStevo 14:32:03 09/14/06 (4)
- My beef is this is an is the "Vinyl Asylum" not "Digital Drive". It's not only about liking but which sounds like music - Teresa 14:39:52 09/14/06 (3)
- Re: My beef is this is an is the "Vinyl Asylum" not "Digital Drive". It's not only about liking but which sounds like m - Biff 14:43:18 09/14/06 (2)
- Re: My beef is this is an is the "Vinyl Asylum" not "Digital Drive". It's not only about liking but which sounds like m - zedisdead 17:50:00 09/14/06 (0)
- They know me better and know not to cause me any pain if they can help it. (nt) - Teresa 15:34:21 09/14/06 (0)
- One of the worst sounding pieces of equipment I've ever bought had fantastic specs. - artemus 13:51:22 09/14/06 (2)
- What are you talking about?! I didn't say anything about... - NewStevo 14:25:21 09/14/06 (1)
- Geez. Are specs derived from machinery or the human ear? - artemus 16:32:12 09/14/06 (0)
- here's another-- listen without an oscilloscope. - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 13:47:09 09/14/06 (0)
- not on the radar - OMalley 13:31:08 09/14/06 (1)
- Re: not on the radar - Biff 13:47:03 09/14/06 (0)
- I like LPs and I like CDs and I like SACDs and.... - Biff 13:18:40 09/14/06 (12)
- So do I. - jbcortes 14:34:41 09/14/06 (8)
- It's not extreme. Digital is just not an acceptable music carrier. - Teresa 14:50:53 09/14/06 (6)
- Re: It's not extreme. Digital is just not an acceptable music carrier. - mothra 00:56:06 09/15/06 (1)
- Cassettes poor frequency response further proves Digital is just not an acceptable music carrier. - Teresa 01:23:43 09/15/06 (0)
- Re: It's not extreme. Digital is just not an acceptable music carrier. - jbcortes 15:28:09 09/14/06 (3)
- Even SACD or DVD-Audio are not close. And I do own a few DVD-Audio's I can't get on LP. But I am not buying any more. - Teresa 15:43:25 09/14/06 (2)
- "All of my money goes for LPs and 7 1/2-IPS Reel to Reel tapes." I sure hope that you meant "disposable" . )MT( - J. S. Bach 05:32:22 09/15/06 (1)
- Yes "disposable" I still have to eat and pay rent! (;-) nt - Teresa 22:37:25 09/15/06 (0)
- Well said. Thanks. (nt) - Biff 14:39:37 09/14/06 (0)
- Re: I like LPs and I like CDs and I like SACDs and.... - artemus 14:03:44 09/14/06 (2)
- Re: I like LPs and I like CDs and I like SACDs and.... - Biff 14:26:17 09/14/06 (1)
- Where better to be zealous? Or even "over zealous" which calls for a judgement on your part? - artemus 16:34:34 09/14/06 (0)
- It has nothing to do with digital vs analog. It has EVERYTHING to do... - NewStevo 13:13:24 09/14/06 (7)
- Guessswork algorithms not recovered data - FR Drew 14:43:08 09/14/06 (4)
- You simply do not understand the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem... - NewStevo 20:32:17 09/14/06 (3)
- Bollocks! if the information isn't there then... - FR Drew 21:59:17 09/14/06 (2)
- The point you are missing...the information IS there. Please read the paper at the link... - NewStevo 07:38:11 09/15/06 (1)
- I'm sorry, but if you don't sample it, it cannot be there. - FR Drew 23:50:36 09/15/06 (0)
- You have never seem me post on Digital Drive to make sure of the ludicrous statements made there are 100% accurate. - Teresa 14:23:48 09/14/06 (0)
- actually.. i see what you're saying.. - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 13:59:38 09/14/06 (0)
- I think some people must enjoy setting off bombs........ - Terry P 13:10:09 09/14/06 (0)
- Well then answer this .... - Garth 13:07:19 09/14/06 (6)
- Music you can find that on any of the analog formats, that is where it resides. (nt) - Teresa 15:47:31 09/14/06 (0)
- And I must ask why you keep bringing up the analog vs. digital debate??? /nt\ - HenryH 13:10:08 09/14/06 (4)
- I've had posts here that were mischaracterized as that and it wasn't her that did it. Saying anything negative . - artemus 13:38:16 09/14/06 (1)
- "she (or anyone else) should have a right to be a vinyl zealot in the Vinyl asylum" - Ernie L 14:10:49 09/14/06 (0)
- Uh, not Garth . . . Teresa. /nt\ - HenryH 13:11:07 09/14/06 (1)
- Uh,, thanks! :-) (nt) - Garth 13:14:33 09/14/06 (0)
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