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In Reply to: Re: Hold on. posted by Sylvian on September 11, 2006 at 11:23:21:
"It doesn't sound like you're that familiar with the RB250."Take a look at my posts in this asylum, I know Regas RB 250 to 600 and various tweaks very well.
"I don't have enough experience with these arms to say otherwise), then I'd like to know where the problem is. Because my P2 is anything but musical."
That is what I am trying to tell you RB 250 is not detailed arm, it is musical, and there is problem
"**You also say that Rega is more authoritative, quicker, more bass, more spacious, ... but than you do not like timbre and say it is not musical? **You are correct, sir"
I did not want to put ? above, meant to be intro for :
"**Maybe it is just cartridge tonal balance that you do not like. **
No, timbre has nothing to do with tonal balance. It's not the table being too bright or too dark in general, or bass/mid/highs. It's the natural tonal characteristics of the instrument. To give you an example.... cymbals are a good test for timbre. If it sounds a bag of wet rice being smacked against the pavement, you have poor timbre. If it sounds like the metallic sheen of a cymbal, you have good timbre. You can have an overall dark sound (tonal balance), and still have good timbre."
Hard to separate both, timbre is based on harmonics and their relative ratio to the base note, it overall frequency response is of than timber is, but there is more to it, I agree.
"**(Hey, if stock RB-250 sounds that way to you, than you would be floored by RB300 or modded RB250, but that is another story)**? I don't recall giving the impression that I was that impressed by the RB250."
I do not think that you were impressed, but look at your description and consider that RB300 is significantly better...
"I'm sure an origin live modified RB250 would cure my problems with the deck, but personally, I'd rather buy a better deck. I'm not afraid of spring suspensions...."
Origin live would not solve problems with the deck, i.e. table, but would improve arm
**"and more like a CD than a good analog" - what do you mean like CD, I have yet to hear Rega that sounds like typical CD. Even their CDs don't sound like typical CD.**"What do I mean "like CD"? All detail, analytical sound, no PRAT, no groove, no "musicality". "
Point is, Rega products in general, even CD's are more on the musical than analytical side, so what you describe is not typical Rega sound and that is exactly the problem.
"**So is everything OK, from the arm, bearings, spindle and spindle ball bearing, belt, motor, wiring? **
Well, as I wrote in my original msg, I dont know how to check that! I've asked several times about this, and gotten dozens of responses to my post, but no one informed me how to check if the arm, bearings, spindle and spindle ball bearing, belt, motor wiring is ok!"
Let your fingers do the walking, all of these were discussed to death on these pages.
"As mentioned elsewhere, the cart was new. The cart is beautiful, gorgeous, and it isn't the problem. I tried another cartridge before on this P2, same thing, not musical. "Than you really have something off.
"Well, I'm sure I'm not the first to put a $400 cart on the RB250. But point taken, I also believe that Tiefenbrun wasn't drunk at the time he came up with the "source first" idea."
Well, I am not one of those who would use $5000 table with $100 arm and $200 system, I am more of the synergy guy, but having had both expensive cartridges on cheap tables/arms and vice versa, I believe that you wasted money on that cartridge.
"**For VTA, it is hard to say visually that you are 1 mm off, arm being parallel is not an indicator alone, and with tapered arm like Rega is even harder (close to impossible) to judge. You may be +/- few mm.**
True, and I always like to setup by ear anyway. But as I mentioned, you can only RAISE VTA on the Rega. if I need to lower VTA, that too is close to impossible."
That is not excuse, line contact styli require proper VTA, or are dud. You either do it, or not use such styli.
**(Or your definition of musicality is much different than mine).**
"Just for a reference, I believe I'm going by the standard of musicality set by companies like Linn and Naim. ...."
Rega Planar 3 + Grace 707/ F9e + Naim + Tangent (can't remember models any more) was what got me on track of the musicality issue.
There is something wrong in the setup or just you have different expectations of the system. Start checking.
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