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In Reply to: Re: Mr. Juki for Ortofon carts posted by analog_forever on May 2, 2003 at 18:29:22:
Analog Forever:>The market for Lyra cartridges was once affected by the pricing of Mr. Juki and Jonathan Carr had actually posted a warning/negative feedback on audiogon to 2juki.<
That wasn't me who posted that comment, but rather Stig Bjorge (Lyra/Scantech CEO). We had verified that Juki was in cahoots with our then-Vietnamese distributor, who was ordering lots of cartridges but was unable to come up with any documented evidence that he was properly promoting or even marketing our cartridges in his market (the distribution contract clearly spelled this out as a requirement). It transpired that our Vietnamese distributor was acting simply as a clearing-house, and since he had very little costs of his own, he was able to offer the cartridges to Juki at very low prices. And with Juki's primary means of promotion being Audiogon ads, it seemed clear that Juki was essentially a parasite that was piggy-backing onto the promotional and marketing efforts of our distributors in other, higher-profile countries. We responded by firing our Vietnamese distributor.
More recently, subsequent to Juki's losing his Vietnamese source, someone sent us a digital photo of one of our cartridges that had been newly purchased from Juki. The coil and cantilever area didn't look right, and the serial number on the cartridge was one that has never existed in our books, and the serial-number label on the outer box was also not original. My guess is that this was an old cartridge which had been retipped by a third-party retipper, and was offered as a factory-original Lyra cartridge, which it clearly wasn't. I have yet to find any third-party retippers who are capable of duplicating the "Lyra sound", so it will be interesting to listen to this cartridge if and when it comes back to us, and find out what it sounds like.
And mind you, the above has happened more than once.
Juki's prices may seem sweet to the purchaser, and if you can't tell the difference between the real thing and a fake, you may never know that you've been had. But as far as this manufacturer is concerned, Juki's business practices do not always appear to be completely honest.
OTOH, I would imagine that when Juki can source the cartridges that he wants to sell - economically and without any problems - he won't have any need to deceive prospective buyers. And who knows, maybe this is all a misunderstanding on our part. Maybe Juki purchased that Lyra cartridge from someone else, under the assumption that it was the genuine article. Maybe.
jonathan carr
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Follow Ups
- Re: Mr. Juki for Ortofon carts - jcarr 05:27:01 05/03/03 (1)
- Re: Mr. Juki for Ortofon carts - TheCommissioner 08:11:57 05/03/03 (0)
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