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In Reply to: RE: Maybe some redundancy there? posted by Curious on September 30, 2015 at 10:19:37:
The basic point remains the same. John has virtually no experience with top tier mm's/mi's, whether current or past models. He doesn't have any idea what an old Grado TLZ sounded like, let alone a new Master or above. He has no experience with old top Technics mm's (kind of amusing in view of his love affair with the 1200 tt), nor the top Stantons, nor the AT ML170 (which was one of 2 *mm* carts some of the best mastering engineers in the U.S. said provided playback closest to the mic feed, NOT a mc) among many other mm's already mentioned. Considering that, it seems obvious that his pronouncements - his opinions stated as if only a deaf dolt could disagree - are based damn near entirely on measurements. If measurements are the criteria by which you judge hifi products, then you may agree with John and find it unnecessary to, ahh, LISTEN.As an aside......
I'm not sure if what you said about wood bodies was a reference to Grados or not. If so, the body material change Grado made was not the only change they made. I can tell you as someone who owned/used a TLZ for years and went to a Master, its no contest. The Master is in another league. Dunno, maybe you were referring to something like putting a different body on a Denon 103 with no other changes.
Edits: 09/30/15
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Follow Ups
- Hmm. - Rick W 14:28:34 09/30/15 (10)
- Sounds reasonable - Curious 19:25:17 09/30/15 (1)
- "....repulsed by dogmatism regarding our hobby." Me too. nt - Rick W 21:02:15 09/30/15 (0)
- Clarification... - Lew 15:26:04 09/30/15 (7)
- I've never had a pre with provisions for it, so I never tried an alternate loading option. But....... - Rick W 17:04:37 09/30/15 (6)
- Point taken on the Master vs TLZ - Lew 07:37:57 10/01/15 (5)
- RE: Point taken on the Master vs TLZ - Rick W 10:41:16 10/01/15 (4)
- RE: Point taken on the Master vs TLZ - flood2 23:40:32 10/01/15 (0)
- RE: Point taken on the Master vs TLZ - Lew 11:10:16 10/01/15 (2)
- Nah, I wasn't offended at all. - Rick W 11:58:44 10/01/15 (1)
- RE: Nah, I wasn't offended at all. - Lew 11:46:51 10/02/15 (0)