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In Reply to: RE: "As far as I'm concerned audio is there to serve my aesthetics not the other way around." posted by genungo on July 28, 2015 at 15:59:30:
genungo - I think I see where you're coming from with your "informed subjectivity" phrase. Scott is of course correct that there is no "one sound" even at a live performance - a lot of it just depends on where we're sitting. With a recording, we're even more in the dark as far as knowing what the "original sound" is like, especially since listeners don't normally sit where the microphones are placed!
Therefore, since we can't actually KNOW what the sound is like at the microphone positions, we do something else to determine accuracy: we use the whole history of our listening experience (e.g., what did this bassoon sound like? what did this other bassoon sound like? what does it sound like at this distance? what does it sound like at this other distance?, etc.) to construct an ABSTRACT idea of what a certain instrument or combination of instruments, at a certain distance, in a certain type of hall, etc. SHOULD sound like
Basically, when we listen to a recording, we're GUESSING what the original sound was like at the microphone locations. And depending on their innate skill and ability to learn from experience (i.e., the "informed" aspect), some listeners can make much better guesses and judgements than others can - although the only guesses and judgements that should count for any particular listener are his/her own! It's all so paradoxical! ;-)
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Follow Ups
- Great discussion - and I hope you don't mind my jumping in - Chris from Lafayette 17:02:04 07/28/15 (35)
- RE: Great discussion - and I hope you don't mind my jumping in - Analog Scott 17:30:12 07/28/15 (33)
- RE: Great discussion - and I hope you don't mind my jumping in - Chris from Lafayette 20:19:28 07/28/15 (32)
- I think the audiophile axiom of accuracy as a goal in audio needs to be questioned - Analog Scott 20:32:51 07/28/15 (31)
- Well-said and agreed. nt - David Smith 22:33:30 07/28/15 (0)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - genungo 20:49:50 07/28/15 (29)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - Analog Scott 20:54:09 07/28/15 (28)
- To an extent, I do. - vinyl survivor 00:03:08 07/29/15 (22)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Analog Scott 05:57:34 07/29/15 (20)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - vinyl survivor 13:12:05 07/29/15 (1)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Analog Scott 16:58:54 07/29/15 (0)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Chris from Lafayette 11:25:48 07/29/15 (17)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Analog Scott 22:05:06 07/29/15 (3)
- So you don't mind piano recordings with the treble on the right and bass on the left? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:15:57 07/30/15 (2)
- RE: So you don't mind piano recordings with the treble on the right and bass on the left? [nt] - Analog Scott 12:45:42 07/30/15 (1)
- OK - If that's true, then I stand corrected [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 15:38:16 07/30/15 (0)
- Bingo - vinyl survivor 21:51:10 07/29/15 (0)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Analog Scott 13:16:33 07/29/15 (11)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Tre' 19:26:33 07/29/15 (1)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - Analog Scott 19:44:13 07/29/15 (0)
- Nobody wants an accurate rendering of bad sound - see my post above [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 19:15:12 07/29/15 (8)
- RE: Nobody wants an accurate rendering of bad sound - see my post above [nt] - Analog Scott 19:42:45 07/29/15 (7)
- OK - I'm going to use another word in preference to "bad" - Chris from Lafayette 11:46:18 07/30/15 (6)
- RE: OK - I'm going to use another word in preference to "bad" - Analog Scott 12:54:12 07/30/15 (5)
- What I LIKE about that Sawallisch/Philadelphia recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:57:51 07/30/15 (4)
- RE: What I LIKE about that Sawallisch/Philadelphia recording. . . - Analog Scott 19:19:29 07/30/15 (3)
- I hear you, but. . . - Chris from Lafayette 00:10:51 07/31/15 (2)
- RE: I hear you, but. . . - Analog Scott 05:54:47 07/31/15 (1)
- Yes I'd seen that clip before and it's fascinating - Chris from Lafayette 11:54:54 07/31/15 (0)
- RE: To an extent, I do. - genungo 01:36:53 07/29/15 (0)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - genungo 21:50:36 07/28/15 (4)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - Analog Scott 22:05:49 07/28/15 (3)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - genungo 23:03:12 07/28/15 (2)
- RE: "I don't care about accuracy" - Analog Scott 23:11:35 07/28/15 (1)
- Good night - genungo 00:40:38 07/29/15 (0)
- RE: Great discussion - genungo 17:28:33 07/28/15 (0)