RE: hmmmmm

RE: hmmmmm

Posted by user510 on November 14, 2014 at 17:27:03

In Reply to: WTF ? ... posted by reelsmith. on November 14, 2014 at 13:24:48:

the choice is between two belt drive turntables. One is Japanese mfr. The other, German.

Yamaha PF 800
2 speed belt drive. 33-1/3rd and 45 rpm., manual operation, speed pitch control.
The Yamaha has an unusual "twin pipe" tonearm. It is traditional in that it has pivoted geometry. It can accept cartridges weighing as much as 11G. Not specified, but I suspect medium mass. Oh, and it is dynamically balanced. That may play into its sound quality. A more constant vtf applied by means of a spring mechanism.

The Yamaha uses a DC motor with servo controller electronics. Power consumption is rated at 7W. Moment of inertia at the platter: 330 kg/cm(squared).

Suspended sub-chassis. 3 springs. Spring layout resembles that of the Oracle Alexandria. At least it does from the outside. I'm not certain which came first, the Yamaha PF 800 or the Oracle.

As to the motor and control we can include the Thorens Td126 mkIII that uses DC power in conjunction with electronic controls.
SN ratio: -80 db (weighted)
wow/flutter: .028% WRMS
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The Dual CS 5000
3 speed belt driven model, semi-auto function.
33-1/3rd, 45, 78 rpm.
quartz microprocessor motor control. (Motor type not specified.)
power consumption: 9W
SN Ratio: -80db
wow/flutter: .025%

honestly I've not owned any Dual turntable. Nor any Yamaha turntables. In that regard I have no pre-existing preference.

If I needed a turntable and one of these were available on the cheap, I'd probably go for the Yamaha. But if it were the Dual that was available and not the Yamaha....and I needed 'something'. The dual would have to do.

The Yamaha, with its three prominent spring covers, does have character. I do wonder which came first, the PF 800 or the Oracle Alexandria? There is some similarity between them.

-Steve

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Topic - WTF ? ... - reelsmith. 13:24:48 11/14/14 (26)

had both - still have the yamaha - musiclistener 08:27:33 12/04/14 (0)

Apples and banannas - B.K. 21:09:11 11/19/14 (0)

Had a PF-1000 for years - Bill Musgrave 11:01:40 11/17/14 (0)

Yamaha looks like a 1000 bucks! - Goober58 12:18:17 11/16/14 (0)

I'd take the Dual CS-5000... - tketcham 04:47:51 11/16/14 (2)

RE: I'd take the Dual CS-5000... - bjh 10:43:49 11/16/14 (1)

RE: I'd take the Dual CS-5000... - tketcham 12:44:30 11/16/14 (0)

Agree re Dual -- looks gorgeous, though - rbolaw 11:17:04 11/15/14 (0)

Yamaha. I do like the LOOK of the Dual better... - Dman 06:06:11 11/15/14 (0)

I have also heard... - Bry 20:54:13 11/14/14 (3)

RE: I have also heard... - genungo 10:50:26 11/16/14 (2)

Don't really remember specifics - Bry 05:10:23 11/18/14 (0)

RE: I have also heard... - NoTransistors 11:46:25 11/16/14 (0)

I'll take the Yamaha, too... - John Elison 18:34:21 11/14/14 (0)

As an owner of the Yamaha PF-800 - Road Warrior 18:00:37 11/14/14 (1)

You can fix both of those issues quite easily - Penguin 18:54:51 11/18/14 (0)

RE:Yamaha - BCR 17:44:36 11/14/14 (0)

RE: hmmmmm - user510 17:27:03 11/14/14 (0)

Yo mama - Penguin 17:20:54 11/14/14 (0)

Wow ,interesting match up. - mark111 15:27:26 11/14/14 (3)

I don't know how each sounds which really does matter... but - spindoctor 16:56:28 11/14/14 (1)

To itch his own. (nt) - mark111 07:48:01 11/15/14 (0)

Excellent ... - reelsmith. 15:43:49 11/14/14 (0)

All right Dean, I would take the Yamaha........... - blues4ever 15:11:51 11/14/14 (0)

Yamaha ... I'll take your word ;) nt - bjh 14:31:41 11/14/14 (0)

The Yamaha... - slapshot 14:26:30 11/14/14 (0)

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