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RE: Really???

Posted by Cinequadom (A) on April 17, 2014 at 21:02:57

In Reply to: RE: Really??? posted by Lew on April 15, 2014 at 06:55:35:

Hi Lew,

I hope you do not mind my video. The intention is not to bother anyone.

I would write some more reasons why I'm so frustrated with vinyl.

About the "Tokyo Blues” and other albums, I wrote to Jason Marcum of Elusive Disc this:

“Hi Jason,

I am really disappointed with both vinyl albums that have loud pops and ticks.

The first, HORACE SILVER/THE TOKYO BLUES *ANALOGUE PRODUCTIONS/BLUE NOTE has several annoying pops in the second record, side 3 (The Tokyo Blues) after the beginning of the piano solo. A close inspection with a loupe on this vinyl shows something like a small cavity into four grooves and in “Cherry Blossom” (first track of side 4) are many ticks and soft pops but without visible damage.

The second, MFSL 2-316 MICHAEL BRECKER/PILGRIMAGE *MOBILE FIDELITY (2LP) have many ticks and pops on almost all the tracks and I found a scratch of around 6 millimeters on the middle of the first track of disc 1; side 2: “Anagram”.

It is written somewhere in this MoFi album: “…there may be occasional pops or ticks inherent in initial playback, but as the disc is played more, a high-quality stylus will actually polish the grove walls and improve the sound”.

I've never heard anything like that, but if this is true, please send me a list of high-quality cartridges that their needles polish the grooves to take out the noise of many of my old vinyl records.

Anyway, I did not imagine that these expensive audiophile discs would so noisy.

The answer of Jason:

LET’S FACE IT LP'S IN GENERAL ARE PRONE TO PROBLEMS LIKE THESE, IT IS NOT A PERFECT FORMAT. THESE PROBLEMS EVEN THOUGH THEY STILL HAPPEN ARE MUCH LESS FREQUENT THAN IN THE PAST!

Please return your damaged LP’s to Elusive Disc.

Hi is right in part, because it was quite common that defective records with dust and debris were recycled and the “new ones” have noise for this reason.

I am sure that many of my old LPs have this problem and the new records that are not made with virgin vinyl are like those ones, and the cleanest albums that I bought many years ago are from Germany, Italy and Japan. The quality of their vinyl is better than those “audiophile” records.

Well, the defective albums were replaced without cost but the noise of “Cherry Blossom’s” track is practically the same.

Months later I bought also other expensive album hoping that it is clean: Cape Verdian Blues of Horace Silver (2 records, 45 rpm and 180 grams) at $70.00 with some clicks in several tracks and a loud pop.

Someone said to me that a few clicks, pops or scratches are acceptable, because the music on vinyl is so involving that those few noises are not important.

My answer: “Probably you don't want to wear a tailor suit, with all kind of spots. Not even with only 1 or 2 of them. I think you would want to wear an impeccable suit and even more, if it is expensive.

For me, just one single click or pop in a new “audiophile” record of $50.00 or more, is inadmissible and is not for Hi End Audio”

I bought other new records in CD Universe and several of those are with loud pops and clicks. I returned for reposition and the replaced has exactly the same clicks and pops in the same points of the tracks.

These noises came from the master disc and consequently all copies have the same noise and I received too one with "orange peel".

There is no quality control in vinyl manufacturers!

But this is because the most people accept that vinyl is noisy and never make a claim.

Finally in some of those new records I bought of Blue Note, the sound is less natural than the old ones I have and in one it is written that the record comes from the original digital master tapes. So, I have the sound of a compact disc with the noise of vinyl.

Bad luck not, as Jason Marcum said: Let’s face it LP's in general are prone to problems like these, it is not a perfect format.

And I say: Vinyl is noisy, it is the AnoiseLog format.

I am sorry, but I do not understand why many people bother with me if I am saying practically the same of the General Sales Manager of the biggest vinyl store in the world.

Lew, thank you very much for your interest in my problems with vinyl and accept my best regards.

Also, I received yesterday an email from Elusive Disc with the new things they have.

One of those are three titles in reel tape, something like backup copies of the original master recordings at $600.00 each.

Well, I can say now that Hi End Audio does exist, but only in the most expensive format today and only in a few examples.

I think these tapes are not going to last too much.

The links:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/1456c8ed862828c5

http://www.elusivedisc.com/Groove-Note-180g/products/253/

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