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RE: It's Dirtbag Day on Ebay. A crook who's proud of it.

Posted by lotsofnoise (A) on March 17, 2015 at 16:23:19

In Reply to: It's Dirtbag Day on Ebay. A crook who's proud of it. posted by Kevin Deal on March 16, 2015 at 22:46:57:

Hey Kevin.....you forgot to tell the rest of the story.

So guys, this is my listing. I am the "Crook" the bandit that is proud to be ripping people off on ebay....but wait maybe...just maybe there is a little more here than what meets the eye.

Let me explain these tubes....I tried for hours...literally hours to identify the maker of these tubes. I compared them to every single EL34 i own and every single picture i could find of any EL34 on google images. I couldnt once find a single one that matched how they were constructed. Ive been selling tubes for 14 years. I know a lot about them but admittedly i dont know everything. The only tube i found that looked anything like it was labeled "philips ecg". Being that this was my only evidence i made the assumption (which may have been wrong) that these were Philips ECG.

A little while after listing them on ebay i got a nice message from Kevin Deal...a person i dont know.

You will see in this convo that Kevin right from the very first message he sends me accuses me of being a thief and assumes that i am knowingly trying to rip people off. Instead of saying something like "hello, it is my belief that these are chinese tubes and here is how i know this, could you please make changes to your listings so you dont misrepresent these".

One more time...i dont know everything about tubes...i learn everyday just as each one of you do. I still after all this...cannot find a picture of a chinese tube that looks like the tubes i have. So now i have to trust a guy that calls me a crook for tube advice?

Here is our conversation....you tell me who was being harassed in this convo and who was proud?

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upscaleaudio: <-----(Kevin Deal)

I assume you already know these are Chinese. Your auctions and your Ebay ID will be going up on a couple websites in the "Fake Ebay Auctions" page if you don't stop this and change the auction to what they are. I'll keep an eye on you.

(Me) :

What the....first off who are you and how do you know these are made in China. There are no markings that indicate this and the thick getter type and structure of the tube matches identical to the Philips ECG 6ca7s that i own. Im not sure i like this threat without atleast explaining yourself and how you know this to be a true statement..i certainly understand that there are a lot of things that are up for debate when it comes to tubes but just blatantly telling me you are going to slander my name without further background seems far off base.


upscaleaudio:

For a guy that sells tubes, you don't know your business. Philips ECG never made a 6CA7. Before they changed names they were Sylvania, and Sylvania certainly did make a 6CA7, but it was a fat bottle.

So now we are left with Philips made. Look at every EL34 auction, and NONE of them look like yours. All Holland EL34's had brown bases.All real Philips will have a hole in the center pin. It's not even close.

As to your tubes, all you have to do is look at the getter ring which is a washer and the plates. It's a Shuguang. As to who I am, I sell millions of dollars in tubes and tube gear each year and have been in many magazines and articles about tubes. I have the largest inventory of NOS tubes in America. Look up Kevin Deal

Want real Mullard 12AX7's in original military box? We stock over 3,000. Want real Telefunken E88CC? Over 4,000. Vintage NOS 12AU7's from Europe? Over 10,000. I can assure you I speak the truth. I also co-created the hottest brand of tube gear on the market. PrimaLuna. I've been doing this for 38 years.

On Sunday I occasionally look for stuff like this and we put them up in a couple forums. If you have sold these, you ripped people off. Those tubes are worth at best $20 each. In fact they are worthless because later Shuguang are much much better. Those are crap. I have a bunch here and I wouldn't even give them away as I would be doing someone potential harm.

(Me):

Why couldnt you just have put that information in your first message to me? You know if you are the worlds best tube guy ever that it is possible that not everyone knows everything that an esteemed gentleman as yourself knows. Im not a crook trying to rip people off but perhaps ive been ripped off myself.


upscaleaudio:

Don't give me shit. I'm just telling you what's up. A simple thanks might be better.

(Me:

You get what you give....

go ahead and report me to whatever site or whatever you run. Im not gonna be bullied or trolled on the internet. You may very well know your stuff but , your tactics and manners arent gonna get you anywhere with me. Enjoy your life policing ebay...im sure they will find this conversation interesting.

: upscaleaudio

Sure...and I'll put your responses up too. On tube forums and on my website front page too



This is simply put... my defense. In my best Nixon voice...i am not a crook. I am a guy trying to feed his family that once and while might need advice or help from people who may no more than i do. But you dont offer advice or help in that manner.

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