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Siemens E83CC and other Siemens 12AX7 varieties

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I am looking for comparisons between the E83CC ribbed and flat plate. Also sonic thumbnail descriptions of any Siemens ECC83, E803S and any other Siemens in this family. It seems the ribbed plate E83CC fetch more money than the flat plate version. I have a pair of ECC83 ribbed plate double support getter that I still haven't listened to yet. Siemens are probably the only 12AX7 type that I haven't used extensively. They fetch big bucks on ebay so they probably are pretty good. All with experience with these please comment. Thanks.

Bart

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