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Posted by Romy (A) on July 28, 2002 at 14:30:22

In Reply to: Re: lower fundamental at 160Hz for double bass? posted by mannitheear on July 28, 2002 at 12:41:44:

*** what are you exactly talking about? My double bass has a fundamental frequency of about 41 Hz at the low E.

Yes, I heard that form many people in Audio. (www.tnt-audio.com/topics/frequency_e.html) As I understand the pitch determined by the length, mass, and tension of a string and according to three unrelated double bass players that I consulted with the fundamental frequency within a "standard" 42-inch instrument are around 150 Hz (I was told twice 160 Hz and once 140 Hz). Considering that my guys studied this staff in their "conservatory time" and have no idea what Audio is I tend to believe them. It looks like the body of double bass "develops" sounds further from the lowest resonant frequency and therefore whatever pushes our spectral analyses on the left from the ~150 Hz are just the harmonics.

*** But what is "musical correct" in your terminology?

Tone has beneficial value. Even the frequencies, properly treated by a listener, should be projected to their listening benefits and tighten to a "human feedback". An "Expressed frequency", which has an absolute mathematical value only, should not be taken under consideration without being properly interpreted. In order to become the "consumed frequency" many, very many, things should be considered (Reverberation time at this frequency, the way how the frequency were gotten, structured and many-many others)

*** How do you prove it? With the help your long term listening experience? I would like to learn more about that.

Prove what? The objectivism of subjectivism? Interestingly that whatever you call "listening experience" is totally irrelevant. It is very common that people just do not know what the listen while they are listening and I have seen many folks in Audio who do it for 20-30 years. I frequently came across to an observation that people at AA ask questions and do not understand the complexity of the question they are asking. I would like, as usually, avoid to answer the "accidental un-understood questions' and would say again that this topic is way above what the AA-subscribers could handle.

*** Do you compare audio systems with another or is your reference the live experience at the concert?

Comparing of audio equipment is fundamentally faulty way to perform any audio evaluations and this is where all those screamy audio industry morons are slipping (an particularly the reviewers). Live music is not necessary an absolute reference as well not matter how absurd it sounds (there is a lot more to it). By being born a human you already have all necessary "recognition patterns" to recognize Music built-in. Remember the history of developing of the musical ideas, musical instrument, composing techniques, expressive method and so on… became available only because we, the humans, have the common denominators within us: out inner-we reaction to external sonic irritations…. So, the 40 Hz is not "what sounds" but what created within your inner-you a reaction that would be typical for 40 Hz. You should not listen sounds but the reaction of your inner you to those sounds. If you learn this fairly basic listening technique (and this is just very beginning of a properly structured listing culture) you will be able to "evaluate" those funny hundreds-thousands-dollars-playback-systems within 5 seconds and will discover how much BS within so-call high end is going on. Leave the "Audio comparing" to the unfortunates who has their "natural sensitively" bleached out by drugs, alcohol, anger, fear and by those "many years in the business"…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

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