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In Reply to: so. acoustic suspension = sealed with stiff surrounds then posted by budget minded on August 8, 2014 at 15:32:31:
It's the reverse. Acoustic suspension is sealed with very floppy suspension.The problem is reviewers don't know what acoustic suspension is. And that's not the only things they seem not to understand. Part of that is because while acoustic suspension ruled the 60s and was still important in the early 70s it died after that. You can blame Thiell/Small who described how to make ported boxes that didn't boom like the old ones. It's hard to resist a deeper 3 Db down point and/or a couple of Db more efficiency just by adding a hole in a box especially when a little boom sells better than tight bass.
In audio infinite baffle is the same as closed box. But, you're, correct that it is a poor term since it implies something it certainly is not.
Edits: 08/08/14
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- RE: don't forget sealed - budget minded 15:42:30 08/07/14 (4)
- RE: don't forget sealed - hahax@verizon.net 20:59:33 08/07/14 (3)
- so. acoustic suspension = sealed with stiff surrounds then - budget minded 15:32:31 08/08/14 (2)
- RE: so. acoustic suspension = sealed with stiff surrounds then - hahax@verizon.net 20:44:45 08/08/14 (1)
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- RE: so. acoustic suspension = sealed with stiff surrounds then - hahax@verizon.net 20:44:45 08/08/14 (1)
- reviewers still said acoustic suspension in the 80s - budget minded 14:18:15 08/09/14 (0)