In Reply to: What are the best immaging speakers you ever heard? posted by Mike in NJ on October 11, 2005 at 14:24:29:
avoid what really matters tonal balance. The reverse question is how many considered to be quality loudspeakers have I heard and said wow what terrible imaging and soundstaging?The avoidance of talking to timbral accuracy decay transients and dynamics have been changed to looking at imaging which makes sense because many speakers tell me where the intrument is on the stage and how big the stage is -- it's a shame most don;t make the instrument sound right as well -- but boy I shure know WHERE that Violin that sounds screachy and lacks the woody tone of the instrument is coming from.
The fascination over this pyrotechnic non relevant musical term after a while becomes tiresome. I don't want to pick on speakers so I shall not mention any by name -- but have what is sai to be an excellent imaging speaker - it measures well off axis and pretty well on axis too (so do many) but this one is rated well in Stereophile is a standmount and certainly let's me know where the instrument is - of course the metal tweeter has a knack of letting me know where the tweeter is as well reminding me that yes this is a speaker and the illusion falls apart - but boy does the stage extend beyond the speakers.
If you sit between your two speakers not directly in front of the left speaker then you are not going to have to worry about imaging or soundstaging anyway. That great reviewed speaker as good as the measurment indicates it's off axis response to be still didn;t allow me to sit directly in front of the left speaker and create the IDENTICAL sound as when I was listening in the center...
In fact my Horn speakers which typically are noted for sucking at off axis response was not enough worse in this regard to this more expensive well rated metal tweetered good off axis measuring canadian speaker(I'm Canadian so I want to buy here when I can) for me to trade Bass, Dynamics, Attack, Decay, volume capanbility, transients, air in just so I can listen in a slightly larger listening window and certainly not enough to trade all of these things in for hearing the violin 2 feet more to the right (since I don't know how it was recorded on the disc in the first place it's not like this spatial cue would even matter if it was being done incorrectly).
The Bose 901 can create a 50 foot state which huge depth as well -- too bad it imprints that sound on every disc -- that doesn;t make it a good speaker and these inept puny gutless speakers that are going for 2k may in fact image and soundstage well -- now if they would only do SOMETHING else remotely well and better than my 15 year old (not high end) not the flattest measuring floorstanders then they;d have gotten me to buy em over the ridiculous FOUR YEARS of auditioning to all those Stereophile approved stuff.
This audiophile clued in eventually -- sooner or later some others here will as well.
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- Yet again the buzzword to help poor speakers ... - RGA 12:17:00 10/12/05 (20)
- Why the Borden article is useless… - David Aiken 21:27:47 10/12/05 (9)
- Re: Why the Borden article is useless… - RGA 20:58:26 10/13/05 (6)
- I'm not certain we really ave agreementdef… - David Aiken 14:46:51 10/14/05 (5)
- Re: I'm not certain we really ave agreementdef… - RGA 14:41:32 10/15/05 (3)
- Re: I'm not certain we really ave agreementdef… - David Aiken 23:59:11 10/15/05 (2)
- Re: I'm not certain we really ave agreementdef… - RGA 13:51:03 10/16/05 (1)
- Why the regular anti-Stereophile comments? - David Aiken 17:40:15 10/16/05 (1)
- WOW! - Mike in NJ 15:13:52 10/14/05 (0)
- As per usual... - Jimmy C. 16:24:52 10/13/05 (0)
- Excellent post! I couldn't have said it better myself! nt - Mike in NJ 09:38:41 10/13/05 (0)
- Re: Yet again the buzzword to help poor speakers ... - Mike in NJ 14:38:31 10/12/05 (1)
- Re: Yet again the buzzword to help poor speakers ... - RGA 20:35:24 10/13/05 (0)
- A somewhat different view - KCHANG 14:00:28 10/12/05 (1)
- Re: A somewhat different view - RGA 20:31:41 10/13/05 (0)
- Re: Yet again the buzzword to help poor speakers ... - Presto 13:10:26 10/12/05 (3)
- Agreed... - RGA 20:23:51 10/13/05 (2)
- Re: Agreed... - Presto 08:46:00 10/14/05 (1)
- Re: Agreed... - RGA 12:11:57 10/14/05 (0)
- Re: Yet again the buzzword to help poor speakers ... - 3db 13:02:18 10/12/05 (1)
- Here's a test on tonality... - RGA 20:12:03 10/13/05 (0)