In Reply to: speaker break in -- how to do that? ( Dynaudio 25 Special ) posted by newbie on September 7, 2003 at 07:27:05:
Ask any driver engineer how long it takes to break-in a driver's spider and the answer will be a few minutes of heavy use (long strokes).Look at test results for any cone driver and you'll see minor (probably not audible) T/S spec. changes in the first few hours of use. I know of no controlled listening experiments that prove even the real break-in during the first few hours is audible. In 35 years of building DIY speakers I have been able to hear break-in occur only twice, and the effect lasted only for a few minutes (weak bass from two subwoofer drivers).
I use loud RAP music for bass driver break-in. A string quartet at 60dB would take forever. You can actually break-in a woofer by slowly stroking the cone with your hands through the maximum stroke (XMECH) ... but that's risky.
For one example, I have a printed test report of a high quality Seas Excel W21EX001 bass driver with a break-in tone that used only +/-2mm of it's +/-6mm XMAX (not loud enough for fast break-in of a spider) but even then the changes were small and not likely to be audible.
The testing was performed by Philip Vafiadis of VAF Reasearch in Australia (the organization's website happens to be www.vaf.com.au
if anyone cares.
Fs changed from 35.47Hz. to 32.03 Hz. in 60 minutes
and finally to 31.62Hz. after 120 minutesQts changed from .49 to .42 in one minute
and finally to .41 after 120 minutesThey didn't measure VAS
Most of the T/S changes typically measured are due to voice coil warm up and will disappear after the voice coil cools off the next morning. But VAF Research wisely let the voice coil cool off every time before measurements.
The break-in may have already been accomplished in the speaker factory during quality control testing.
Speaker designers John Dunlavy and Paul S. Barton (PSB Speakers) have written essentially the same thing in internet posts.
The belief in the need for 100's of hours of break-in is golden ear nonsense. But then golden ears are not a very scientific group of people -- they thrive on beliefs. They will never provide data to prove their break-in beliefs, because such data do not exist.
Fortunately this 100's of hours break-in belief is a harmless belief, but may actually be useful for the wrong reason -- it may take your ears 100's of hours to get used to new speakers. And in the end, the only way to prevent break-in, would be to leave the speakers in their cartons and never play them!
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Follow Ups
- Drivers break-in beyond a few hours is a golden ear myth with absolutely no supporting data - Richard BassNut Greene 18:07:32 09/07/03 (31)
- One word needs a correction and here it is - Richard BassNut Greene 12:21:53 09/11/03 (0)
- Re: Drivers break-in beyond a few hours is a golden ear myth with absolutely no supporting data - monty golfear 12:28:20 09/10/03 (0)
- You love spreading myths Richard - Jon Risch 21:05:07 09/09/03 (16)
- I agree with John - RoyJ 22:27:20 09/10/03 (12)
- So you're saying that you can hear changes to your speakers for dozens to hundreds of hours & suddenly they stop? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:47:16 09/11/03 (11)
- Good questions! - RoyJ 15:22:19 09/11/03 (10)
- Re: Good questions! - Jon Risch 09:34:59 09/13/03 (2)
- Recommended break-in hours has just as much to do with "breaking-in the ears" of the new speaker's owner - Richard BassNut Greene 15:53:13 09/15/03 (0)
- Oh Pshaw! - Jon Risch 20:46:45 09/17/03 (0)
- Thanks Jon- - RoyJ 10:11:35 09/13/03 (0)
- Other logical explanation why speakers might sound better after 100 hours -- 5 more variables beyond speaker break-in - Richard BassNut Greene 17:23:34 09/11/03 (6)
- Pretty logical (long) - RoyJ 21:49:47 09/11/03 (5)
- And furthermore ... - Richard BassNut Greene 14:22:25 09/12/03 (4)
- I am smiling - RoyJ 14:43:41 09/12/03 (3)
- Not any more - Richard BassNut Greene 16:14:41 09/15/03 (2)
- You right - RoyJ 09:01:16 09/16/03 (1)
- You're in B**I**G trouble now ----------- R*E*A*L*L*Y ......B**I**G - Richard BassNut Greene 12:01:24 09/16/03 (0)
- I've cited pro's in my posts: John Dunlavy, Paul Barton, Dave Clark & Tom Nousaine -- your posts are just your opinion - Richard BassNut Greene 12:57:59 09/10/03 (2)
- Re: I've cited pro's in my posts: John Dunlavy, Paul Barton, Dave Clark & Tom Nousaine -- your posts are just your opini - Jon Risch 16:22:37 09/10/03 (1)
- Actually my citations are more anti-break-in than my conclusions - Richard BassNut Greene 13:03:12 09/11/03 (0)
- Re: Drivers break-in beyond a few hours is a golden ear myth with absolutely no supporting data - John B 15:49:09 09/08/03 (5)
- It's always tough when audio engineers and speaker designers refute what you believe - Richard BassNut Greene 17:14:39 09/08/03 (4)
- Re: It's always tough when audio engineers and speaker designers refute what you believe - John B 18:18:39 09/08/03 (3)
- A bit more detail in regards to changes in driver characteristics - John B 18:38:17 09/08/03 (2)
- Re: A bit more detail in regards to changes in driver characteristics - Tom Brennan 22:47:10 09/08/03 (0)
- Re: A bit more detail in regards to changes in driver characteristics - Skipper 19:22:02 09/08/03 (0)
- Re: Drivers break-in beyond a few hours is a golden ear myth with absolutely no supporting data - newbie 22:30:08 09/07/03 (5)
- Paul Barton (PSB) and John Dunlavy quotes and links vs. golden ear speaker break-in nonsense - Richard BassNut Greene 07:25:38 09/08/03 (4)
- Re: Paul Barton (PSB) and John Dunlavy quotes and links vs. golden ear speaker break-in nonsense - Tom Dawson 09:03:55 09/08/03 (3)
- Maybe he has data and knows what he's talking about - Richard BassNut Greene 12:23:58 09/08/03 (2)
- Re: Maybe he has data and knows what he's talking about - Jon Risch 21:11:12 09/09/03 (1)
- Oh Boy! -- A second Risch post in one day for me to effectively and completely refute as usual......proof there is a God - Richard BassNut Greene 14:29:39 09/10/03 (0)