You know what? I'm fed up with reading posts about the sonic wonders of vinyl over CDs. Don't you vinyl lovers have ears? Or are you just hooked on the sound of ticks and pops and the degradation of high frequencies and added distortion as the stylus tracks into the inner grooves of an lp? You probably think VHS is heads above DVD.As a former recording engineer, whose specialty was disk mastering (Neumann, Scully-Westrex), I am continually amazed at the number of you out there who refuse to embrace the tremendous advances in digital recording technology (particularly in the last couple of years), and go on and on touting the warmth or sound stage or dynamic range of an lp over the CD. Granted, early CDs released in the late 70's and early 80's tended to be harsh on the ears. Even so, my first CD player, which cost $400 and I'm sure had a lousy sampling rate by today's standards, sounded absolutely incredible compared to vinyl. Weren't some of you blown away by just the fade outs to silence between songs, not to mention by the clarity of the music? Prior to the advent of the compact disc and digital multitrack recorders, the only digital phase of the recording process was the 2-track mixdown. This resulted in no improvement whatsover to the final product, the lp, because lacquers, acetates, and vinyl were all petroleum products. And ever since the first OPEC oil crunch hit in the early 1970's, record manufacturers saved money by reconstituting vinyl from old records from which they didn't even bother to punch out the center label section. Thus, we played new records made from old vinyl and paper. No wonder they sounded like crap. Obviously, today there are much higher qualities of vinyl available, as well as half speed mastering, and other technologies to produce superior lps.
And don't get me wrong… I prefer certain "old" technologies and equipment where older really is better. For instance, I listen to tube Mac gear biamped through Altec 604e's. But I wouldn't connect a turntable to them. Are you vinyl-heads simply stuck in the past? Do you like 78's even better for their ultimate frequency response? I do think that living in the past (pre-nuclear/terrorist/corporate greed/overpopulation/global warming/on and on) has its appeal and were it possible, would be a good idea – but not when it comes to analog vs. digital.
IMnotsoHO, nothing - and I mean NOTHING - has revolutionized the quality of sound reproduction during my 52 year lifetime (so far) as the migration from analog (vinyl) to digital (CD)... except maybe stereo in 1958 - that was pretty cool, too.
There... I finally got it off my chest.
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Topic - Vinyl Schminyl - Twodawgz 13:58:29 07/10/02 (101)
- Re: View from another engineer - Blues_man 10:58:01 07/16/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - tell us your analog setup. - jgbeam 07:01:59 07/14/02 (2)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - tell us your analog setup. - Twodawgz 11:56:10 07/14/02 (1)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - tell us your analog setup. - jgbeam 04:36:06 07/15/02 (0)
- Why I like vinyl - mishmashmusic 19:41:07 07/13/02 (0)
- ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz. - Valis 23:00:49 07/12/02 (0)
- Right on! (nt) - Bobby_N 19:38:47 07/12/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Young Buck 09:57:35 07/12/02 (0)
- My mom - pavement 08:17:34 07/12/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - ranger97 14:49:29 07/11/02 (0)
- What's all this talk about getting up every 15 or 20 minues - Brad V 11:40:08 07/11/02 (3)
- Well sonny, you get to a certain age and the bladder ain`t what it used to be......[nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:49:57 07/13/02 (0)
- And all the crackles and pops give you a warm feeling - psgary 18:11:29 07/11/02 (1)
- Well sonny, you get the warm feeling and you curse yer` bladder agin`......[nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:52:53 07/13/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - suretyguy 09:48:45 07/11/02 (1)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - D 09:36:44 07/12/02 (0)
- My brother is a former recording engineer....... - rlawry 08:14:36 07/11/02 (1)
- interesting - zach 12:20:07 07/12/02 (0)
- Who cares...really? - xenon101 07:21:20 07/11/02 (2)
- Agreed, who cares... - Mark Smith 13:20:51 07/11/02 (0)
- Agreed. This is only an issue when... - SE 07:49:36 07/11/02 (0)
- Re: Just for the record (no pun intended), I'm in agreement - Mike M. 05:43:14 07/11/02 (3)
- When you try fix one problem of Vinyl playback, - PriyaW 10:16:19 07/11/02 (2)
- Re: When you try fix one problem of Vinyl playback, - Mike M. 10:30:17 07/11/02 (1)
- I am just teasing you. - PriyaW 10:36:44 07/11/02 (0)
- Twodawgz... - The Flying Dutchman 04:55:27 07/11/02 (0)
- Successful troll: Congratulations! - orejones 02:48:52 07/11/02 (1)
- Re: Successful troll: Congratulations! - Bagsgroove 04:53:13 07/11/02 (0)
- a sample is just a sample, no matter how many times you sample it, sorry. - gopher 01:03:39 07/11/02 (11)
- Both analog and digital are imperfect reproductions of the real sound, just different techniques... - David Aiken 17:11:55 07/11/02 (0)
- Re: a sample is just a sample, no matter how many times you sample it, sorry. - caseylamb 08:21:12 07/11/02 (9)
- i don't notice ticks and pops. i'm busy listening to music you see. well, i guess maybe you don't... - gopher 14:24:22 07/11/02 (0)
- Re: a sample is just a sample, no matter how many times you sample it, sorry. - Adriel 14:10:32 07/11/02 (7)
- Good point! - D Harvey 16:32:33 07/11/02 (6)
- what's your CD player? <nt> - TOOL 18:53:48 07/11/02 (2)
- See my reply..... - D Harvey 19:36:11 07/11/02 (1)
- a dust particle - TOOL 19:43:03 07/11/02 (0)
- Re: Good point! - David Mester 17:28:10 07/11/02 (2)
- Re: Good point! - D Harvey 19:30:46 07/11/02 (1)
- Re: Good point! - David Mester 05:48:53 07/12/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Ozymandias 19:42:48 07/10/02 (2)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Tom B. 14:21:42 07/11/02 (1)
- not fair not fair! - TOOL 23:01:09 07/11/02 (0)
- Beware of retirement! - casado 18:47:04 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - David Mester 17:57:44 07/10/02 (7)
- In the right elevator - psgary 18:22:20 07/11/02 (4)
- Re: How dare you bring Mantovani into this! (nt) - David Mester 06:00:17 07/12/02 (3)
- Very gauche, indeed. - D Harvey 12:13:22 07/12/02 (2)
- Re: Very gauche, indeed. - David Mester 18:48:57 07/12/02 (0)
- Personally, . . . - psgary 13:30:52 07/12/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Twodawgz 19:23:49 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - David Mester 20:23:55 07/10/02 (0)
- You either get it or you don't. If you don't, that's fine, but why try to preach? (nt) - Chr3is 17:45:29 07/10/02 (0)
- Oh yeah?!? - TAFKA Steve 17:10:20 07/10/02 (7)
- Re: Excellent! I'm going to print this one (nt) - Super Mike 22:40:56 07/10/02 (0)
- you silly - chiggy 19:24:36 07/10/02 (0)
- LOL! - EL Cheapo 17:51:19 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Oh yeah?!? - JeffMO 17:17:33 07/10/02 (3)
- 'No essential sugars' my ass! - TAFKA Steve 17:41:14 07/10/02 (2)
- Yes. It's called "Triscuits". n/t - Ted in NJ 07:37:28 07/11/02 (0)
- Laughing - good one -nt- - JeffMO 18:03:19 07/10/02 (0)
- early CDs released in the late 70's and early 80's ??? - bernie 16:58:30 07/10/02 (3)
- Re: early CDs released in the late 70's and early 80's ??? - Twodawgz 19:12:27 07/10/02 (2)
- Re: early CDs released in the late 70's and early 80's ??? - SR 19:22:26 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: early CDs released in the late 70's and early 80's ??? - Twodawgz 19:30:39 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - SR 16:52:52 07/10/02 (4)
- Room Sound-- What's Your System? - Super Mike 22:51:01 07/10/02 (1)
- It's listed in inmate systems. - SR 09:31:56 07/11/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Twodawgz 19:10:52 07/10/02 (0)
- righf! - TOOL 19:10:30 07/10/02 (0)
- Excuse me - psgary 16:40:34 07/10/02 (0)
- Request from the Moderator - Mike K 16:13:12 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: Request from the Moderator - Twodawgz 16:36:32 07/10/02 (0)
- Gosh! I guess you must be right.... - Bagsgroove 15:57:16 07/10/02 (1)
- LOL-naughty Bagsgroove-nt - Mrs. Piggy 16:54:21 07/10/02 (0)
- Ya know... - Muzikmike 15:37:05 07/10/02 (6)
- You're absolutely right. It is about the music. <nt> - Ozymandias 19:46:08 07/10/02 (0)
- LISTEN FOR YOUR LIVES! - bostrowskij 17:21:13 07/10/02 (4)
- get out of the hole! - TOOL 19:23:43 07/10/02 (3)
- Re: get out of the hole! - bostrowskij 21:07:46 07/10/02 (2)
- durability? - TOOL 21:36:21 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: durability? - Charlie F. 21:43:11 07/10/02 (0)
- But LPs are SOOOOOOO Bitchin'!! - Allan Songer 15:34:34 07/10/02 (2)
- Re: But LPs are SOOOOOOO Bitchin'!! - Allan Songer 16:44:25 07/10/02 (0)
- Correction - psgary 16:42:52 07/10/02 (0)
- You got this all mixed up! - PriyaW 15:26:29 07/10/02 (2)
- Re: You got this all mixed up! - Twodawgz 15:44:03 07/10/02 (1)
- re: the piano - TOOL 19:32:36 07/10/02 (0)
- Heretic...get the rope! - DWPC 15:19:17 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: Heretic...get the rope! - Twodawgz 15:25:17 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Bill Galbraith 15:01:56 07/10/02 (4)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - SalD 20:02:33 07/10/02 (0)
- "This smells like a troll!" ..... A-ha, told ya there'd be flames about this topic :)) - Radiex 15:11:25 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Twodawgz 15:10:20 07/10/02 (1)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - Bill Galbraith 18:27:46 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - SalD 14:51:20 07/10/02 (0)
- I agree 100% with all you say, Twodawgz - Radiex 14:51:00 07/10/02 (0)
- Ahhhh! - AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - EdM 14:37:33 07/10/02 (0)
- Re: Vinyl Schminyl - suretyguy 14:29:38 07/10/02 (0)
- You left out much improved pitch stability with CD - I agree with the thrust of the rest. (NT) - David Aiken 14:18:32 07/10/02 (1)
- glad someone knows about this too!! <nt> - TOOL 19:34:59 07/10/02 (0)