How do you measure the "religious reverence" of a performance?

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Topic - Analog vs. digital in Bach's B-minor Mass - TGR 15:47:31 07/24/16 (88)

Amazing where these threads go, sometimes! - TGR 15:47:02 07/28/16 (0)

For me, Sergiu Celibidache is the only conductor to make it sound like religion and not performance - John Marks 17:07:58 07/25/16 (48)

Do you think Celibidache's practice of Buddhism might have anything to do with this? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:42 07/27/16 (0)

"I am suggesting that for those of us who cannot un-hear everything from Mozart to Schubert to Mendelssohn ..' - Timbo in Oz 03:32:46 07/27/16 (14)

It's entirely possible the John Marks is right... - genungo 07:30:27 07/27/16 (12)

F'whoop - Timbo in Oz 14:37:11 07/27/16 (1)

F'whoop? - genungo 15:12:17 07/27/16 (0)

OTOH... - genungo 11:53:22 07/27/16 (6)

Your own points are very well taken too! - Chris from Lafayette 13:42:07 07/27/16 (5)

RE: Your own points are very well taken too! - goldenthal 00:07:09 08/01/16 (0)

RE: "You know it when you see (or hear, or feel) it." - genungo 15:00:16 07/27/16 (3)

RE: "You know it when you see (or hear, or feel) it." - goldenthal 00:15:47 08/01/16 (0)

RE: "You know it when you see (or hear, or feel) it." - Travis 18:15:37 07/27/16 (0)

OTOH, if you want lusty virgins who live the part, MTTs Cleveland Carmina is the one to have - jdaniel@jps.net 15:33:41 07/27/16 (0)

Then there's Janacek's Mass: is it Deity worthy? And the opening of King Roger is as overwhelmingly grand and - jdaniel@jps.net 11:15:14 07/27/16 (2)

RE: Then there's Janacek's Mass: And What about the Missa Solemnis . . . - goldenthal 00:20:24 08/01/16 (0)

RE: Then there's Janacek's Mass: is it Deity worthy? And the opening of King Roger is as overwhelmingly grand and - genungo 12:00:19 07/27/16 (0)

LIKE! nt - Travis 06:37:40 07/27/16 (0)

When it comes to capturing the joyousness of Religion, I alwaysgo back to Schmidt-Gaden's Christmas Oratorio - jdaniel@jps.net 12:54:42 07/26/16 (1)

I entirely agree. - Timbo in Oz 02:37:23 07/27/16 (0)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say he makes it sound like religion - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:39 07/25/16 (11)

It'sa not at all Humble opinion - Timbo in Oz 02:38:58 07/27/16 (10)

RE: It'sa not at all Humble opinion -- With Due Respect, Tim, . . . - goldenthal 00:27:25 08/01/16 (0)

You keep saying people have left - Chris from Lafayette 10:11:27 07/27/16 (8)

When I have some time I will search back and enumerate them - Timbo in Oz 14:42:40 07/27/16 (7)

RE: "CB is one." - Ivan303 17:40:04 07/27/16 (5)

Thinking about it a bit more. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:03:29 07/27/16 (4)

RE: Thinking about it a bit more. . . - goldenthal 00:31:20 08/01/16 (0)

Just as long as you aren't Anti-Aunty... - oldmkvi 08:17:44 07/29/16 (1)

Or anti-ante... - D Harvey 15:02:46 07/30/16 (0)

RE: Thinking about it a bit more. . . - Travis 18:19:37 07/27/16 (0)

In any case, let's make sure we stay on topic - Chris from Lafayette 15:16:29 07/27/16 (0)

RE: For me, Sergiu Celibidache is the only conductor to make it sound like religion and not performance - Travis 17:54:08 07/25/16 (17)

If a performance of Bach's B-minor MASS lacks the aspect of religious reverence... - John Marks 06:56:51 07/26/16 (16)

RE: "Bach's B-minor Mass is nothing but sacred music" . . . - goldenthal 00:53:00 08/01/16 (0)

"That is NOT a matter of "IMHO." Bull. - Timbo in Oz 03:37:04 07/27/16 (0)

How do you measure the "religious reverence" of a performance? - Analog Scott 07:23:51 07/26/16 (12)

You pose a valid question, and the answers are found in the nature and history of the art form - John Marks 08:17:04 07/26/16 (8)

RE: You pose a valid question, and the answers are found in the nature and history of the art form - goldenthal 01:07:01 08/01/16 (0)

From Usenet - Chris from Lafayette 10:25:42 07/26/16 (0)

RE: "...the vocal soloists in sacred music should sound as though they believe the words they are singing." - genungo 09:59:49 07/26/16 (1)

ROTFLMAO! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:27:00 07/26/16 (0)

Certainly know what you mean... - Ivan303 09:20:08 07/26/16 (1)

RE: Certainly know what you mean... But the question is . . . - goldenthal 01:12:08 08/01/16 (0)

"the orderly and organic presentation of telling musical details" - Chris from Lafayette 08:45:22 07/26/16 (1)

slow, and tedious, if not boring? - Timbo in Oz 03:38:27 07/27/16 (0)

Was just listening to Bohm's Mozart Requiem. Slow or devout? Ponderous or Riualisistic? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:26:40 07/26/16 (2)

Indeed, these are individual listener aesthetic perceptions - Chris from Lafayette 08:40:34 07/26/16 (1)

I actually like it. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 12:56:59 07/26/16 (0)

RE: If a performance of Bach's B-minor MASS lacks the aspect of religious reverence... - Travis 07:09:30 07/26/16 (0)

Early Harrnoncourt a favorite of mine as well. What a nice, "roomy" recording and delectable playing / singing. - jdaniel@jps.net 22:22:10 07/24/16 (2)

RE: Early Harrnoncourt a favorite of mine as well. What a nice, "roomy" recording and delectable playing / singing. - pbarach 03:48:01 07/25/16 (1)

Agreed. - Kal Rubinson 05:41:50 07/25/16 (0)

RE: Analog vs. digital in Bach's B-minor Mass - bluemooze 20:50:05 07/24/16 (0)

So. . . do you hear the stair-steps in the waveforms? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:03:03 07/24/16 (0)

RE: Analog vs. digital in Bach's B-minor Mass - Kal Rubinson 16:28:03 07/24/16 (32)

And why is that? - TGR 16:50:52 07/25/16 (20)

"[The growth of analogue playback] is more than nostalgia, I think" - Chris from Lafayette 00:11:01 07/26/16 (17)

No Claims for "Better" -- Either Way - briggs 08:09:44 07/26/16 (0)

The next time you go to Cal Expo's gun and doll show, (and you know you want to), I'll spin a few records for. - jdaniel@jps.net 07:24:18 07/26/16 (2)

WTF? A gun and doll show? - Analog Scott 07:59:00 07/26/16 (1)

Maybe the dolls are demo'ing the guns [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:00:26 07/26/16 (0)

I am actually firmly in the camp of "the best analog trumps the best digital" - Analog Scott 07:06:29 07/26/16 (12)

"Not that quality is directly dependent on price" - Chris from Lafayette 09:14:20 07/26/16 (8)

Have your heard Vandersteen's? Coffin ad it gets though. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 06:59:42 07/27/16 (7)

Certainly, a lot "gets through" with coffin speakers - Chris from Lafayette 10:37:47 07/27/16 (6)

RE: Certainly, a lot "gets through" with coffin speakers - srl1 07:05:34 07/28/16 (0)

My problem with the modern day effeminization of stereo speakers is that... - jdaniel@jps.net 12:32:01 07/27/16 (4)

I agree - don't want no girlie speakers in my system! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 13:34:30 07/27/16 (3)

RE: no girlie speakers -- I've Always Thought My Speakers To Be . . . - goldenthal 01:24:16 08/01/16 (0)

Really? What color is that? Gotta be black or wood veneer to keep it real. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 15:01:35 07/27/16 (1)

Your wish is my command - Chris from Lafayette 15:20:10 07/27/16 (0)

Of course, your preference for analogue is in you moniker ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:52:50 07/26/16 (2)

oh yeah... that's right. However... - Analog Scott 12:19:40 07/26/16 (1)

RE: oh yeah... that's right. -- Should Your Repeated "I Know . . ." - goldenthal 01:27:18 08/01/16 (0)

RE: And why is that? - Travis 17:57:37 07/25/16 (1)

Yes!! Let's all go back to quad reel-to-reel tapes! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:19:17 07/26/16 (0)

Funny, I'm listening to Marriner's Bach Art of Fugue Philips lp, a stunning under the radar recording - jdaniel@jps.net 22:29:09 07/24/16 (9)

OK, perhaps it's not 5 channel... - Ivan303 19:23:27 07/25/16 (2)

Yup - looks like a Pentatone RQR recording to me too! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 23:45:02 07/25/16 (1)

RE: Yup - looks like a Pentatone RQR recording to me too! ;-) - Ivan303 06:24:53 07/26/16 (0)

+1, and also his Musical Offering [nt] - steve.ott@kctcs.edu 14:04:30 07/25/16 (0)

RE: Funny, I'm listening to Marriner's Bach Art of Fugue Philips lp, a stunning under the radar recording - briggs 12:18:13 07/25/16 (1)

Was initially extremely excited about hi res multichannel but lost interest. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:41:27 07/25/16 (0)

RE: Funny, I'm listening to Marriner's Bach Art of Fugue Philips lp, a stunning under the radar recording - rbolaw 06:43:52 07/25/16 (2)

Sorry I missed your recommendation. I picked it up because of how much I enjoy Marriner's Musical Offering. - jdaniel@jps.net 07:55:50 07/25/16 (1)

RE: Sorry I missed your recommendation. I picked it up because of how much I enjoy Marriner's Musical Offering. - rbolaw 10:12:13 07/25/16 (0)

Right on, Kal! - Chris from Lafayette 19:06:41 07/24/16 (0)

Follow Ups

How do you measure the "religious reverence" of a performance? - Analog Scott 07:23:51 07/26/16 (12)

You pose a valid question, and the answers are found in the nature and history of the art form - John Marks 08:17:04 07/26/16 (8)

RE: You pose a valid question, and the answers are found in the nature and history of the art form - goldenthal 01:07:01 08/01/16 (0)

From Usenet - Chris from Lafayette 10:25:42 07/26/16 (0)

RE: "...the vocal soloists in sacred music should sound as though they believe the words they are singing." - genungo 09:59:49 07/26/16 (1)

ROTFLMAO! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:27:00 07/26/16 (0)

Certainly know what you mean... - Ivan303 09:20:08 07/26/16 (1)

RE: Certainly know what you mean... But the question is . . . - goldenthal 01:12:08 08/01/16 (0)

"the orderly and organic presentation of telling musical details" - Chris from Lafayette 08:45:22 07/26/16 (1)

slow, and tedious, if not boring? - Timbo in Oz 03:38:27 07/27/16 (0)

Was just listening to Bohm's Mozart Requiem. Slow or devout? Ponderous or Riualisistic? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:26:40 07/26/16 (2)

Indeed, these are individual listener aesthetic perceptions - Chris from Lafayette 08:40:34 07/26/16 (1)

I actually like it. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 12:56:59 07/26/16 (0)

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