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In Reply to: Can someone give me a good description of 'modernism' , as used in the Hahn posts? posted by free.ranger on July 5, 2016 at 10:06:20:
... is composer who cannot compose "classical" music as well they used to. While it can be hard to explain exactly WHY this is, you know "modern-classical" music when you hear it.The social and artistic climate that was partly responsible for things "classical" (or even "neo-classical") no longer exists, except in fragmented ways
And the *thing* can be seen as well as heard. Go the the nearest large museum and take a close look at the oil paintings there. Can any "modern" painter paint a figurative scene nearly as well as Titian, Velazquez, Goya, or Ingres did - in spirit as well as in fact? The answer, for me at least, is a resounding...
"No. Not really."
On the other hand (OK, I'm getting tired of writing "OTOH"), we can do certain things in music and painting that the old composers never dreamed of, or even wanted.
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- A "modern" classical composer... - genungo 06:33:01 07/06/16 (30)
- See? There it is, right there. - D Harvey 10:09:00 07/06/16 (2)
- Right there? Right where? - genungo 12:24:35 07/06/16 (1)
- OK, I strawmanned you a bit there, sorry. - D Harvey 15:54:23 07/06/16 (0)
- RE: A "modern" classical composer... - rbolaw 08:27:18 07/06/16 (26)
- RE: A "modern" classical composer... - genungo 09:41:25 07/06/16 (25)
- Oh, dear. - rbolaw 12:13:14 07/06/16 (19)
- RE: Oh, dear. - genungo 12:32:10 07/06/16 (18)
- I don't. - rbolaw 12:41:27 07/06/16 (17)
- Apology... - genungo 12:46:21 07/06/16 (16)
- And any insult was sincerely unintentional. - rbolaw 13:13:54 07/06/16 (15)
- "Many composers today can write convincingly in Mozart's style" - Chris from Lafayette 13:35:30 07/06/16 (14)
- Nah. - rbolaw 13:45:32 07/06/16 (13)
- Well, OK - but remember. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:04:44 07/06/16 (12)
- RE: Well, OK - but remember. . . - rbolaw 17:14:15 07/06/16 (1)
- I knew you were going to bring up Kreisler! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:36:33 07/06/16 (0)
- The computer thing has been done. - D Harvey 15:38:49 07/06/16 (9)
- Yeah - I remember that - Chris from Lafayette 17:22:15 07/06/16 (0)
- Spot on, yet again. - rbolaw 16:49:08 07/06/16 (7)
- "I've never thought of any work of art as unsurpassable perfection" - Chris from Lafayette 17:29:40 07/06/16 (6)
- You mean Beethoven influenced later composers??? ;-) - rbolaw 20:29:53 07/06/16 (5)
- Context, context, context - Chris from Lafayette 23:16:52 07/06/16 (4)
- Rochberg didn't really write in Beethoven's or Mahler's styles - rbolaw 06:37:26 07/07/16 (3)
- So Rochberg's music is "an inevitably imperfect copy" therefore "even more disappointing"? - Chris from Lafayette 08:42:37 07/07/16 (2)
- RE: So Rochberg's music is "an inevitably imperfect copy" therefore "even more disappointing"? - rbolaw 10:06:22 07/07/16 (1)
- The thing that makes Rochberg so controversial. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:30:48 07/07/16 (0)
- It's not about "trouble".... - D Harvey 10:28:40 07/06/16 (4)
- "People can't compose [...] as well as they used to" - Chapra 13:57:48 07/06/16 (2)
- Fair enough. - D Harvey 15:06:12 07/06/16 (1)
- RE: Fair enough. - Chapra 16:35:39 07/06/16 (0)
- Frankly, I think the serialists have had their 50 years (more than that actually). . . - Chris from Lafayette 10:48:46 07/06/16 (0)
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