In Reply to: I think you're grasping posted by Chris from Lafayette on May 11, 2016 at 22:22:06:
All of the musical relationships I describe in my last post occurred to me entirely by listening, before I had any idea who and what was responsible for the things I was hearing. I'm not one of those people who claims there is a relationship between A and B and then searches for examples to prove it. In fact I'm too lazy to be especially good at that, and The Twilight Zone may not be the best example of what I'm talking about, just a very early and classic example, and a personal favorite.
Instead, I hear relationships and later (maybe years later) do some research to try to figure out why that relationship is there. I knew by listening that Schoenberg remained a devoted disciple of 19th century classical and romantic music even while he partly or fully abandoned the concept of key by listening to his music. Later I learned serialism was an invention that helped him do that.
I knew by listening that some others, not everyone, followed Schoenberg's lead in abandoning key, and especially after 1950, began to move away from other fundamental Western musical concepts. Later I learned that some of these had adopted but also greatly expanded and changed Schoenberg's ideas about serialism, and others had moved in different directions entirely.
And I knew by listening that popular culture had begun to absorb the ideas of Schoenberg and his successors by the late 50s and 60s. I later learned, and wasn't surprised, that some key figures behind this openly acknowledged they were influenced by Schoenberg and his successors, or were actual students of them. I don't mean to overstate this influence, it's just one of many, but I hear it.
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Edits: 05/12/16
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Follow Ups
- I'm not grasping -- you're wringing. ;-) - rbolaw 07:51:52 05/12/16 (7)
- That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:10 05/12/16 (6)
- RE: That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - learsfool 18:12:12 05/12/16 (0)
- "A temporary dip" - rbolaw 10:56:58 05/12/16 (3)
- What got cut out of my attempted edit - Chris from Lafayette 16:52:39 05/12/16 (2)
- Oh man, I am so done with this thread. That's just nasty. nt - rbolaw 18:24:02 05/12/16 (1)
- But I've got more! - Chris from Lafayette 23:16:46 05/12/16 (0)
- Our server chokes again with diacritical marks - click on the date of my post just above {nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:06:35 05/12/16 (0)