The problem is not the dissonance - it's the whole approach and limitations of serialism - Chris from Lafayette

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Topic - A friendly and charming defense of "Modernism" by a friendly and charming composer - jdaniel@jps.net 11:16:43 05/08/16 (76)

Perhaps I am missing something obvious, but - semuta 18:25:18 05/09/16 (24)

RE: something obvious? - genungo 08:31:55 05/10/16 (10)

Excellent! Yeah, I'm pretty sure if a composer could put into words what the objective is... - musetap 09:57:40 05/10/16 (7)

I think we're straying into the metaphysical. Babbit, Debussy and Tchaikovky shared one objective at least: - jdaniel@jps.net 10:39:30 05/10/16 (6)

Flexing the wrong muscles perhaps? - genungo 14:15:07 05/10/16 (2)

All I'll say is that in my humble listening career, there are quite a few pieces which I'm glad I revisited. And you're - jdaniel@jps.net 19:37:08 05/10/16 (1)

Fun and funner - genungo 06:27:22 05/11/16 (0)

"why do people never bash the the more esoteric Polyphonists?" - Chris from Lafayette 13:32:35 05/10/16 (2)

esoteric Polyphonists? WTF? Who are they? What did they do? - oldmkvi 09:11:17 05/13/16 (1)

Ockeghem, Obrecht, et al - and, no, they didn't do much [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 19:47:14 05/13/16 (0)

Motives vs objectives.... - jdaniel@jps.net 09:32:10 05/10/16 (1)

RE: Motives vs objectives.... - Paul_A 13:43:06 05/10/16 (0)

Don't you appreciate baseball more because you know the players have to get the ball over the goal line before the clock - jdaniel@jps.net 19:30:24 05/09/16 (12)

RE: Don't you appreciate baseball more because you know the players have to get the ball over the goal line before the c - semuta 22:50:18 05/09/16 (1)

Was talking about objectives from the pov of expectations. One can't be disappointed in composer x because his - jdaniel@jps.net 07:18:50 05/10/16 (0)

It's not all that clear cut in every case however - Chris from Lafayette 21:48:02 05/09/16 (9)

Sometimes not knowing a composer's objectives -- in a broad sense-- can lead to dashed expectations . Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:05:02 05/10/16 (8)

Well, yes - we wouldn't want the heartbreak of dashed expectations! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:03:42 05/10/16 (3)

One time I waited over 45 minutes for cascading harp arpeggios over a pillow of soft strings in a Babbit piece and - jdaniel@jps.net 09:46:08 05/10/16 (2)

Well, you see, that's the trouble with Babbit - Chris from Lafayette 00:36:30 05/11/16 (1)

Exactly! No taste whatsoever. (Now please pass the Baconnaise.) - jdaniel@jps.net 08:20:02 05/11/16 (0)

RE: -- in a broad sense-- - genungo 08:34:16 05/10/16 (3)

what I meant was dissappointment. Have been fed John Williams as a suckling, the Romantics & co spoke my - jdaniel@jps.net 09:57:31 05/10/16 (2)

RE: what I meant was disappointment. - genungo 14:32:40 05/10/16 (0)

RE: what I meant was dissappointment. Have been fed John Williams as a suckling, the Romantics & co spoke my - rbolaw 11:53:17 05/10/16 (0)

I'm OK with three of Copland's four contemporary (1946) music categories - Chris from Lafayette 19:17:06 05/08/16 (21)

RE: I'm OK with three of Copland's four contemporary (1946) music categories - hesson11 15:28:34 05/09/16 (0)

Well that's a relief! - jdaniel@jps.net 23:35:16 05/08/16 (19)

Can't beat that, but ... - rbolaw 06:31:37 05/09/16 (17)

Same here, but.... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:32:09 05/09/16 (16)

Oh, and I also met Arthur Nikisch in Macy's once. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:33:54 05/09/16 (15)

Met and shook hands with Eddy Merckx at the Long Beach Bike Show back in the 80's... - Ivan303 08:05:39 05/09/16 (4)

Rubbed shoulders with Greg Lemond back in the early '90s... - genungo 11:34:43 05/09/16 (1)

Ran into him a couple times when he was racing as an amateur..... - Ivan303 13:50:24 05/09/16 (0)

RE: Met and shook hands with Eddy Merckx at the Long Beach Bike Show back in the 80's... - rbolaw 11:14:09 05/09/16 (1)

RE: "Pou-Pou!" - genungo 16:22:42 05/09/16 (0)

Was that after your meeting with Sol Hurok? - rbolaw 07:53:34 05/09/16 (9)

OK! Excellent! Game on! - Chris from Lafayette 09:52:38 05/09/16 (8)

My ex-brother-in-law was Christopher Cross. - jimbill 17:53:58 05/09/16 (3)

Bow accepted - jimbill 21:32:41 05/12/16 (1)

You forgot to have him kiss the ring. (nt) - D Harvey 06:21:01 05/16/16 (0)

I bow to you, sir! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:02:41 05/12/16 (0)

Game on? - rbolaw 11:34:13 05/09/16 (1)

Oops! Sorry about the placement of my reply - Chris from Lafayette 21:37:01 05/09/16 (0)

Not a word about the spanking sessions with Wanda Wilcomirska? - jdaniel@jps.net 10:23:55 05/09/16 (1)

Fortunately, that didn't happen TOO often - only when I was a very BAD boy! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:39:58 05/11/16 (0)

What is this? A contest? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 23:53:40 05/08/16 (0)

You put it well, as does he. - rbolaw 12:29:02 05/08/16 (28)

Hmm. . . your post gets me to thinking (always dangerous!). . . - Chris from Lafayette 23:52:10 05/08/16 (27)

You've become a Two-Trick Pony- - oldmkvi 08:24:18 05/09/16 (2)

BTW, you forgot some of my other tricks: Shostakovich, Eurotrash, Isaac Stern, Barenboim. . . [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:59:30 05/10/16 (0)

Hey, man, it's all good! - Chris from Lafayette 09:44:23 05/09/16 (0)

RE: Hmm. . . your post gets me to thinking (always dangerous!). . . - rbolaw 07:45:54 05/09/16 (23)

We're talking at cross purposes here - Chris from Lafayette 08:38:57 05/09/16 (22)

RE: We're talking at cross purposes here - learsfool 19:34:05 05/09/16 (21)

OK - but I don't agree on either point - Chris from Lafayette 22:31:22 05/09/16 (20)

RE: OK - but I don't agree on either point - learsfool 19:39:47 05/10/16 (3)

The problem is not the dissonance - it's the whole approach and limitations of serialism - Chris from Lafayette 23:37:40 05/10/16 (2)

As noted musicologist John McEnroe would say, - rbolaw 08:06:43 05/11/16 (1)

I AM serious: it's hard to believe, but that was the plot of the movie! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:16:58 05/11/16 (0)

WTF? Since when is not writing "easy listening" music a defect? - Rick W 13:58:08 05/10/16 (14)

OK - Time for me to define my terms again - Chris from Lafayette 00:19:54 05/11/16 (1)

Aha! Now I understand where you're comin' from. - Rick W 08:33:46 05/11/16 (0)

Right on. And as good a definition of "easy listening" as any - - rbolaw 15:35:59 05/10/16 (11)

Yeah - well, that's not what I mean by "easy listening" - See above - Chris from Lafayette 00:33:01 05/11/16 (10)

Now, that's just nuts. - rbolaw 12:50:56 05/11/16 (9)

I think you're grasping - Chris from Lafayette 22:22:06 05/11/16 (8)

I'm not grasping -- you're wringing. ;-) - rbolaw 07:51:52 05/12/16 (7)

That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:10 05/12/16 (6)

RE: That's a heartfelt response, and I do respect your personal musical journey - learsfool 18:12:12 05/12/16 (0)

"A temporary dip" - rbolaw 10:56:58 05/12/16 (3)

What got cut out of my attempted edit - Chris from Lafayette 16:52:39 05/12/16 (2)

Oh man, I am so done with this thread. That's just nasty. nt - rbolaw 18:24:02 05/12/16 (1)

But I've got more! - Chris from Lafayette 23:16:46 05/12/16 (0)

Our server chokes again with diacritical marks - click on the date of my post just above {nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:06:35 05/12/16 (0)

Nor I with yours - rbolaw 09:11:23 05/10/16 (0)

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The problem is not the dissonance - it's the whole approach and limitations of serialism - Chris from Lafayette 23:37:40 05/10/16 (2)

As noted musicologist John McEnroe would say, - rbolaw 08:06:43 05/11/16 (1)

I AM serious: it's hard to believe, but that was the plot of the movie! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 08:16:58 05/11/16 (0)

The problem is not the dissonance - it's the whole approach and limitations of serialism

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