In Reply to: RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 5, 2016 at 20:07:47:
There you go. But the HIP approach also usually implies original instruments and intonation (much flatter in many but not all contexts than modern intonation), and those two things make a big difference. Especially in the baroque context, the HIP approach also involves study of contemporary sources for things like ornamentation and even improvisation. That's why the concept loses much of its meaning after the early 19th century.
It gets pretty tiresome when people (1) say HIP = no vibrato, which is simplistic and untrue, and (2) endlessly complain about performances with not enough vibrato, blaming the HIP movement.
The only rant that is more tiresome is the one that says modern music was foisted on an unwilling audience by tyrannical critics, and we need to go back to the romantic music that the audience really wants, except for the progressive ones, for whom we can change the name of romantic music to "neoromantic" music.
I've had more than enough of those two rants.
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Follow Ups
- "Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)
- You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)
- Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)
- Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)
- I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)
- IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)
- Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)
- Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)