In Reply to: Mmmmm don't agree re universality of gossamer (ahem) string sound. The UK orchestras of the time, the US big 5, heck posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 5, 2016 at 18:48:38:
BTW, re the OSR being a precursor to the HIP movement, weren't you the one who posted that the OSR in the Ansermet days was "as close to HIP as one could get back then"? Am I missing a distinction you wanted to make?
I don't remember the discussion about the bell in the Berlioz Sf (could that have been in Vinyl Asylum?), and I haven't heard the Ansermet recording. The best (i.e., most blood curdling) bell I've heard on recording is on the Karajan/BPO recording. But the discussion would be incomplete without also addressing why so many conductors ignore Berlioz' request to double the bell notes with piano bass notes - I believe on one occasion Berlioz even made the extravagant suggestion that he would like to have 10 pianos doubling the bell! (Of course, those would likely have been pre-iron-frame "fortepianos", so maybe that number really would have been necessary - LOL!) Of all the recordings I've heard of the Sf, only Mitropolous (a couple of others too perhaps - can't remember if one of them is Stokowski) uses piano doublings as requested by Berlioz, although not with the full complement of 10! ;-)
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Follow Ups
- Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - Chris from Lafayette 19:46:33 05/05/16 (11)
- RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:07:47 05/05/16 (10)
- "Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)
- You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)
- Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)
- Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)
- I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)
- IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)
- Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)
- Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)