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In Reply to: Well CDs don't do the delicate string sound justice, that said... posted by jdaniel@jps.net on May 4, 2016 at 19:04:26:
I've heard it (the OSR sound) on LP, CD, and hi-rez download, and, needless to say, I think CD actually does better than the older medium in conveying the delicate string sonorities. YMMV and all that.
Yes, the OSR players use vibrato. In fact, they use a hell of a lot more vibrato than any of your average HIP ensembles. (I mean, really, no one is going to mistake the OAE, even playing Dvorak, with a non-HIP orchestra - even if Fischer does allow them a soupcon of vibrato!) But I do agree that the OSR's corporate sound today (as heard on their newer recordings on the Chandos and Pentatone labels) is nothing like it was in the Ansermet era. Today, the OSR playing Bruckner actually sounds pretty good - something I can't imagine anyone saying during Ansermet's time! ;-)
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:56:33 05/01/16 (118)
- Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:33:21 05/04/16 (29)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Mali 21:30:08 05/04/16 (21)
- Thinking about this a little more. . . - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:48 05/05/16 (15)
- Mmmmm don't agree re universality of gossamer (ahem) string sound. The UK orchestras of the time, the US big 5, heck - jdaniel@jps.net 18:48:38 05/05/16 (12)
- Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - Chris from Lafayette 19:46:33 05/05/16 (11)
- RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:07:47 05/05/16 (10)
- "Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)
- You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)
- Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)
- Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)
- I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)
- IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)
- Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)
- Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - Mali 10:24:07 05/05/16 (1)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - jdaniel@jps.net 19:15:59 05/05/16 (0)
- Actually, I can see that too, although HIP sound is of course way thinner [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:45 05/04/16 (4)
- I prefer gossamer. Fantastic in the opening of Ravel's Rhapsody Espagnol nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:06:32 05/05/16 (3)
- Haven't heard Ansermet/OSR in that piece - Chris from Lafayette 09:32:33 05/05/16 (0)
- That's one of Ansermet's best imo. nt - rbolaw 08:50:32 05/05/16 (1)
- Glad you agree. Love his Ravel box set and separately his L'Enfant which is a fabulous recording. 99c for the Richmond ! - jdaniel@jps.net 19:12:02 05/05/16 (0)
- Well CDs don't do the delicate string sound justice, that said... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:04:26 05/04/16 (2)
- From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:34 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - jdaniel@jps.net 20:14:05 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - John N 17:46:23 05/04/16 (3)
- My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:51 05/04/16 (2)
- But can you tell me why Martha Stuart used 10 eggs.... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:17:47 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - svisner 18:56:02 05/04/16 (0)
- Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - Newey 22:52:05 05/03/16 (13)
- RE: Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - dgaapc7 16:20:12 05/05/16 (1)
- I think it does take two to tango, and certainly there was provocation [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:24 05/05/16 (0)
- It did not appear that you had a day job.nt - briggs 16:32:48 05/04/16 (0)
- Thanks! Hope you enjoy your break as much as we will... - musetap 10:27:03 05/04/16 (2)
- Are you kidding??!! I'm already drunk. - oldmkvi 10:31:50 05/04/16 (1)
- Yes... the air smells better, the sun is out, flowers blooming... - musetap 10:40:52 05/04/16 (0)
- You can't, what will we do? - oldmkvi 07:15:39 05/04/16 (1)
- Your first post I saw called someone a Liar. That's all you do, I'm sick of it and you. Go. Now. nt - oldmkvi 08:14:23 05/04/16 (0)
- Good luck to you. - D Harvey 05:17:42 05/04/16 (0)
- Newey, everyone's in bed. They could give a shit about our wheel spinning. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:08:32 05/03/16 (1)
- At Last You Posted One True Statement - Newey 23:14:18 05/03/16 (0)
- Before I Go - Note That My Posts Are Full of Music Info - Newey 23:05:38 05/03/16 (1)
- Oh Tosca, just jump off the rampart already! Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:20:23 05/03/16 (0)
- If the OSR = HIP, Then What Does That Make the PCO? - Newey 22:32:35 05/03/16 (5)
- You're being tedious again. Why would anyone *not* assume that the PCO of the time wouldn't sound similar? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:51:49 05/03/16 (4)
- You're Spinning & Lying Again - You're Stepping In A Pile --Again - Newey 22:59:54 05/03/16 (3)
- Yeah, the PCO could have bought their woodwinds from Japan and their trumpets from Moscow.... - jdaniel@jps.net 23:15:09 05/03/16 (2)
- "people on here already know that orchestras shared the same characteristic sound" - Newey 23:20:22 05/03/16 (1)
- So I momentarily forgot about the PCO. You want that one, you can have it. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:34:33 05/03/16 (0)
- The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - Newey 10:00:28 05/03/16 (13)
- RE: The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - mes 15:51:20 05/03/16 (0)
- sigh. Just expand the pic of Norrington's HIP band. Count to six. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:19:59 05/03/16 (11)
- HIP Number of Basses - Newey 21:30:33 05/03/16 (10)
- Your point was flawed from get go. Number of basses isn't for purposes of eye candy. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:44:01 05/03/16 (9)
- HOLY CRAP - DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST? - Newey 21:49:28 05/03/16 (8)
- But it was based upon your flawed premise, just like your rant based upon misreading "A" for "G". It's waste of time. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:54:07 05/03/16 (7)
- WHAT FLAWED PREMISE?????? - Newey 21:58:01 05/03/16 (6)
- That 8+ string bases (not "1, 2 or 3" as you marveled) = musical Truth. It's a silly naive generaliztion, and all the - jdaniel@jps.net 22:16:44 05/03/16 (4)
- EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - Newey 22:25:24 05/03/16 (3)
- RE: EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - jdaniel@jps.net 22:33:47 05/03/16 (2)
- What???? Implied Where??? Never Said or Implied - Just Another Lying Spin of Yours - Newey 22:38:48 05/03/16 (1)
- I Was Merely Making Fun of Tiny, Squeaky HIP ensenbles - Newey 22:42:08 05/03/16 (0)
- Here Are Jiminy's Truely Flawed Premises - Newey 22:06:47 05/03/16 (0)
- I DO NOT "tear" Through Wiki - Nor ANYTHING For My Information - Newey 09:46:44 05/03/16 (28)
- Newey: the instruments themselves don't create vibrato. The players do. My point about the OSR's sound is - jdaniel@jps.net 10:27:51 05/03/16 (27)
- More Lying In Action - Fabricating, Spinning, & Backpedaling - Look As I Reveal & Demolish - Newey 21:16:26 05/03/16 (4)
- when I'm engaging in shop talk with fellow musicians, context and caveats needn't be tediously spelled out. - jdaniel@jps.net 22:04:55 05/03/16 (3)
- Really? Context and Caveats or just Backpeddling and Spinning - Newey 22:10:59 05/03/16 (2)
- Tedious remediation so you could better understand. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:20:22 05/03/16 (1)
- Nope. Just Spinning and Backpeddiling - Newey 22:46:33 05/03/16 (0)
- I get your point. - rbolaw 19:17:55 05/03/16 (21)
- An Informative and Engaging Exchange - Newey 20:22:31 05/03/16 (2)
- No butt kissing here of course. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:49:38 05/03/16 (1)
- Nope. Just Interested Questions - Newey 22:08:23 05/03/16 (0)
- Hugs and kisses but no: I've said in the past that the OSR sounds delightfully HIP - jdaniel@jps.net 20:08:13 05/03/16 (17)
- The 10 Basses of the Karajan BPO - And A Little Test for Jiminy - Newey 21:37:23 05/03/16 (7)
- Sigh. Was a condescending exaggeration. You're going off the deep end lately. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:46:46 05/03/16 (6)
- The Test Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses??? - Newey 22:01:05 05/03/16 (5)
- For which piece? I've told you a million times it's not a fixed number, chosen by a newey- approved conductor - jdaniel@jps.net 22:32:15 05/03/16 (4)
- The Test Still Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses?? WHY?? - Newey 22:36:26 05/03/16 (3)
- It's not a worthy question as is. It's like asking why Martha Stewart used 10 eggs. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:06:41 05/03/16 (2)
- In Other Words - YOU HAVE NO IDEA - Newey 23:12:22 05/03/16 (1)
- Do *you* know why Martha used 10 eggs? Really newey, really. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:19:07 05/03/16 (0)
- Jiminy's Butt-Kissing Continues - Newey 21:00:33 05/03/16 (5)
- Jiminy - You Said That Ansermet Was A Nazi - Newey 21:56:27 05/03/16 (3)
- I did? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:21:13 05/03/16 (2)
- Lol I disagreed with him. Let it go. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:47:46 05/03/16 (0)
- And Yet Another Straw Man Shot - Will The Liar Ever Stop? - Newey 20:44:20 05/03/16 (0)
- Uh - I Was Replying To Mr. Rbolaw - Not You - Newey 20:36:25 05/03/16 (1)
- Yes I was too, about a 1/2 hour before your post. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:56:44 05/03/16 (0)
- Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - alc777 23:38:40 05/02/16 (2)
- RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - svisner 04:58:25 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - alc777 20:20:53 05/04/16 (0)
- OMG - Look At That Drop Dead Gorgeous Non-HIP Orchestra - Newey 19:43:40 05/02/16 (8)
- Lol is there any pile you don't go out of your way to step in? The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally - jdaniel@jps.net 22:26:06 05/02/16 (6)
- The OSR Winds Used Vibrato - The OPPOSITE of HIPs - Newey 00:37:04 05/03/16 (1)
- Psst: was talking about the pungent, heterogeneous sound they produced. I've never met someone so ill - jdaniel@jps.net 00:55:19 05/03/16 (0)
- The Only Pile I've Stepped On Is You - Tone Deaf - Newey 23:02:36 05/02/16 (3)
- And, What A Slap In The Face of HIPs - Your Freudian Slip - Newey 23:13:36 05/02/16 (2)
- And - What HIP Orchestra Uses EIGHT Basses? - Newey 23:27:19 05/02/16 (1)
- All things being equal, the difference in volume between 6 basses vs 8 is IMO negligible, though no doubt - jdaniel@jps.net 00:31:19 05/03/16 (0)
- And That Hall - Concert Hall of my Dreams - Gorgeous [nt] - Newey 20:21:15 05/02/16 (0)
- You have good listening ahead - andy evans 09:26:30 05/02/16 (1)
- RE: You have good listening ahead - svisner 19:52:40 05/02/16 (0)
- Ansermet one of my favorite discoveries after going back vinyl. Mt - jdaniel@jps.net 17:23:25 05/01/16 (7)
- It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - rbolaw 18:06:46 05/01/16 (6)
- RE: It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - svisner 19:47:57 05/02/16 (3)
- I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - jdaniel@jps.net 22:36:04 05/02/16 (2)
- RE: I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - Pat D 07:38:07 05/11/16 (1)
- Same here, found his La Mer to be surprisingly bland. Toscanini's is my favorite. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:12:12 05/11/16 (0)
- Used to love tuning into classical station which was 120 miles away in San Francisco - jdaniel@jps.net 18:21:25 05/01/16 (1)
- You can still listen to an SF based classical station - TGR 09:18:14 05/02/16 (0)
- I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - Rick W 16:25:16 05/01/16 (1)
- RE: I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - svisner 19:49:29 05/02/16 (0)
- RE: Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:57:32 05/01/16 (0)
Follow Ups
- From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:34 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - jdaniel@jps.net 20:14:05 05/04/16 (0)
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