In Reply to: Ernest Ansermet - French Music posted by svisner on May 1, 2016 at 15:56:33:
. . . but I do find jdaniel's contention that the OSR had a kind of "HIP orchestral sonority" to be rather far fetched. Currently, I have Ansermet's Beethoven Symphonies 1-8, Haydn's Paris Symphonies, and such classics as the Berlioz/Ravel disc with Crespin. In my LP days, I used to have Ansermet's Brahms German Requiem and a disc of Bach cantatas. I also have a 24/96 download of his Debussy La Mer, Jeux and Khamma, etc. album.
Believe me, I would never consider owning such discs (especially the Bach, Haydn, and Beethoven) if there were even the slightest hint of HIP in the performances! ;-)
OK! OK! I WILL admit that on some older discs, the wind playing of the OSR was SO out of tune that, in this ONE respect, it DID remind me of a HIP orchestra! ;-)
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- Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:33:21 05/04/16 (29)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Mali 21:30:08 05/04/16 (21)
- Thinking about this a little more. . . - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:48 05/05/16 (15)
- Mmmmm don't agree re universality of gossamer (ahem) string sound. The UK orchestras of the time, the US big 5, heck - jdaniel@jps.net 18:48:38 05/05/16 (12)
- Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - Chris from Lafayette 19:46:33 05/05/16 (11)
- RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:07:47 05/05/16 (10)
- "Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)
- You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)
- Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)
- Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)
- I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)
- IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)
- Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)
- Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - Mali 10:24:07 05/05/16 (1)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - jdaniel@jps.net 19:15:59 05/05/16 (0)
- Actually, I can see that too, although HIP sound is of course way thinner [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:45 05/04/16 (4)
- I prefer gossamer. Fantastic in the opening of Ravel's Rhapsody Espagnol nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:06:32 05/05/16 (3)
- Haven't heard Ansermet/OSR in that piece - Chris from Lafayette 09:32:33 05/05/16 (0)
- That's one of Ansermet's best imo. nt - rbolaw 08:50:32 05/05/16 (1)
- Glad you agree. Love his Ravel box set and separately his L'Enfant which is a fabulous recording. 99c for the Richmond ! - jdaniel@jps.net 19:12:02 05/05/16 (0)
- Well CDs don't do the delicate string sound justice, that said... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:04:26 05/04/16 (2)
- From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:34 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - jdaniel@jps.net 20:14:05 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - John N 17:46:23 05/04/16 (3)
- My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:51 05/04/16 (2)
- But can you tell me why Martha Stuart used 10 eggs.... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:17:47 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - svisner 18:56:02 05/04/16 (0)