The Test Still Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses?? WHY??

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Topic - Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:56:33 05/01/16 (118)

Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:33:21 05/04/16 (29)

RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Mali 21:30:08 05/04/16 (21)

Thinking about this a little more. . . - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:48 05/05/16 (15)

Mmmmm don't agree re universality of gossamer (ahem) string sound. The UK orchestras of the time, the US big 5, heck - jdaniel@jps.net 18:48:38 05/05/16 (12)

Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - Chris from Lafayette 19:46:33 05/05/16 (11)

RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:07:47 05/05/16 (10)

"Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)

You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)

Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)

Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)

RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)

RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)

I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)

IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)

Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)

Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)

RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - Mali 10:24:07 05/05/16 (1)

RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - jdaniel@jps.net 19:15:59 05/05/16 (0)

Actually, I can see that too, although HIP sound is of course way thinner [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:45 05/04/16 (4)

I prefer gossamer. Fantastic in the opening of Ravel's Rhapsody Espagnol nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:06:32 05/05/16 (3)

Haven't heard Ansermet/OSR in that piece - Chris from Lafayette 09:32:33 05/05/16 (0)

That's one of Ansermet's best imo. nt - rbolaw 08:50:32 05/05/16 (1)

Glad you agree. Love his Ravel box set and separately his L'Enfant which is a fabulous recording. 99c for the Richmond ! - jdaniel@jps.net 19:12:02 05/05/16 (0)

Well CDs don't do the delicate string sound justice, that said... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:04:26 05/04/16 (2)

From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:34 05/04/16 (1)

RE: From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - jdaniel@jps.net 20:14:05 05/04/16 (0)

RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - John N 17:46:23 05/04/16 (3)

My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:51 05/04/16 (2)

But can you tell me why Martha Stuart used 10 eggs.... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:17:47 05/04/16 (0)

RE: My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - svisner 18:56:02 05/04/16 (0)

Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - Newey 22:52:05 05/03/16 (13)

RE: Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - dgaapc7 16:20:12 05/05/16 (1)

I think it does take two to tango, and certainly there was provocation [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:24 05/05/16 (0)

It did not appear that you had a day job.nt - briggs 16:32:48 05/04/16 (0)

Thanks! Hope you enjoy your break as much as we will... - musetap 10:27:03 05/04/16 (2)

Are you kidding??!! I'm already drunk. - oldmkvi 10:31:50 05/04/16 (1)

Yes... the air smells better, the sun is out, flowers blooming... - musetap 10:40:52 05/04/16 (0)

You can't, what will we do? - oldmkvi 07:15:39 05/04/16 (1)

Your first post I saw called someone a Liar. That's all you do, I'm sick of it and you. Go. Now. nt - oldmkvi 08:14:23 05/04/16 (0)

Good luck to you. - D Harvey 05:17:42 05/04/16 (0)

Newey, everyone's in bed. They could give a shit about our wheel spinning. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:08:32 05/03/16 (1)

At Last You Posted One True Statement - Newey 23:14:18 05/03/16 (0)

Before I Go - Note That My Posts Are Full of Music Info - Newey 23:05:38 05/03/16 (1)

Oh Tosca, just jump off the rampart already! Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:20:23 05/03/16 (0)

If the OSR = HIP, Then What Does That Make the PCO? - Newey 22:32:35 05/03/16 (5)

You're being tedious again. Why would anyone *not* assume that the PCO of the time wouldn't sound similar? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:51:49 05/03/16 (4)

You're Spinning & Lying Again - You're Stepping In A Pile --Again - Newey 22:59:54 05/03/16 (3)

Yeah, the PCO could have bought their woodwinds from Japan and their trumpets from Moscow.... - jdaniel@jps.net 23:15:09 05/03/16 (2)

"people on here already know that orchestras shared the same characteristic sound" - Newey 23:20:22 05/03/16 (1)

So I momentarily forgot about the PCO. You want that one, you can have it. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:34:33 05/03/16 (0)

The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - Newey 10:00:28 05/03/16 (13)

RE: The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - mes 15:51:20 05/03/16 (0)

sigh. Just expand the pic of Norrington's HIP band. Count to six. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:19:59 05/03/16 (11)

HIP Number of Basses - Newey 21:30:33 05/03/16 (10)

Your point was flawed from get go. Number of basses isn't for purposes of eye candy. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:44:01 05/03/16 (9)

HOLY CRAP - DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST? - Newey 21:49:28 05/03/16 (8)

But it was based upon your flawed premise, just like your rant based upon misreading "A" for "G". It's waste of time. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:54:07 05/03/16 (7)

WHAT FLAWED PREMISE?????? - Newey 21:58:01 05/03/16 (6)

That 8+ string bases (not "1, 2 or 3" as you marveled) = musical Truth. It's a silly naive generaliztion, and all the - jdaniel@jps.net 22:16:44 05/03/16 (4)

EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - Newey 22:25:24 05/03/16 (3)

RE: EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - jdaniel@jps.net 22:33:47 05/03/16 (2)

What???? Implied Where??? Never Said or Implied - Just Another Lying Spin of Yours - Newey 22:38:48 05/03/16 (1)

I Was Merely Making Fun of Tiny, Squeaky HIP ensenbles - Newey 22:42:08 05/03/16 (0)

Here Are Jiminy's Truely Flawed Premises - Newey 22:06:47 05/03/16 (0)

I DO NOT "tear" Through Wiki - Nor ANYTHING For My Information - Newey 09:46:44 05/03/16 (28)

Newey: the instruments themselves don't create vibrato. The players do. My point about the OSR's sound is - jdaniel@jps.net 10:27:51 05/03/16 (27)

More Lying In Action - Fabricating, Spinning, & Backpedaling - Look As I Reveal & Demolish - Newey 21:16:26 05/03/16 (4)

when I'm engaging in shop talk with fellow musicians, context and caveats needn't be tediously spelled out. - jdaniel@jps.net 22:04:55 05/03/16 (3)

Really? Context and Caveats or just Backpeddling and Spinning - Newey 22:10:59 05/03/16 (2)

Tedious remediation so you could better understand. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:20:22 05/03/16 (1)

Nope. Just Spinning and Backpeddiling - Newey 22:46:33 05/03/16 (0)

I get your point. - rbolaw 19:17:55 05/03/16 (21)

An Informative and Engaging Exchange - Newey 20:22:31 05/03/16 (2)

No butt kissing here of course. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:49:38 05/03/16 (1)

Nope. Just Interested Questions - Newey 22:08:23 05/03/16 (0)

Hugs and kisses but no: I've said in the past that the OSR sounds delightfully HIP - jdaniel@jps.net 20:08:13 05/03/16 (17)

The 10 Basses of the Karajan BPO - And A Little Test for Jiminy - Newey 21:37:23 05/03/16 (7)

Sigh. Was a condescending exaggeration. You're going off the deep end lately. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:46:46 05/03/16 (6)

The Test Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses??? - Newey 22:01:05 05/03/16 (5)

For which piece? I've told you a million times it's not a fixed number, chosen by a newey- approved conductor - jdaniel@jps.net 22:32:15 05/03/16 (4)

The Test Still Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses?? WHY?? - Newey 22:36:26 05/03/16 (3)

It's not a worthy question as is. It's like asking why Martha Stewart used 10 eggs. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:06:41 05/03/16 (2)

In Other Words - YOU HAVE NO IDEA - Newey 23:12:22 05/03/16 (1)

Do *you* know why Martha used 10 eggs? Really newey, really. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:19:07 05/03/16 (0)

Jiminy's Butt-Kissing Continues - Newey 21:00:33 05/03/16 (5)

Jiminy - You Said That Ansermet Was A Nazi - Newey 21:56:27 05/03/16 (3)

I did? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:21:13 05/03/16 (2)

Yes. [nt] - Newey 22:42:47 05/03/16 (1)

Link? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 06:48:05 05/04/16 (0)

Lol I disagreed with him. Let it go. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:47:46 05/03/16 (0)

And Yet Another Straw Man Shot - Will The Liar Ever Stop? - Newey 20:44:20 05/03/16 (0)

Uh - I Was Replying To Mr. Rbolaw - Not You - Newey 20:36:25 05/03/16 (1)

Yes I was too, about a 1/2 hour before your post. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:56:44 05/03/16 (0)

Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - alc777 23:38:40 05/02/16 (2)

RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - svisner 04:58:25 05/04/16 (1)

RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - alc777 20:20:53 05/04/16 (0)

OMG - Look At That Drop Dead Gorgeous Non-HIP Orchestra - Newey 19:43:40 05/02/16 (8)

Lol is there any pile you don't go out of your way to step in? The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally - jdaniel@jps.net 22:26:06 05/02/16 (6)

The OSR Winds Used Vibrato - The OPPOSITE of HIPs - Newey 00:37:04 05/03/16 (1)

Psst: was talking about the pungent, heterogeneous sound they produced. I've never met someone so ill - jdaniel@jps.net 00:55:19 05/03/16 (0)

The Only Pile I've Stepped On Is You - Tone Deaf - Newey 23:02:36 05/02/16 (3)

And, What A Slap In The Face of HIPs - Your Freudian Slip - Newey 23:13:36 05/02/16 (2)

And - What HIP Orchestra Uses EIGHT Basses? - Newey 23:27:19 05/02/16 (1)

All things being equal, the difference in volume between 6 basses vs 8 is IMO negligible, though no doubt - jdaniel@jps.net 00:31:19 05/03/16 (0)

And That Hall - Concert Hall of my Dreams - Gorgeous [nt] - Newey 20:21:15 05/02/16 (0)

You have good listening ahead - andy evans 09:26:30 05/02/16 (1)

RE: You have good listening ahead - svisner 19:52:40 05/02/16 (0)

Ansermet one of my favorite discoveries after going back vinyl. Mt - jdaniel@jps.net 17:23:25 05/01/16 (7)

It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - rbolaw 18:06:46 05/01/16 (6)

RE: It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - svisner 19:47:57 05/02/16 (3)

I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - jdaniel@jps.net 22:36:04 05/02/16 (2)

RE: I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - Pat D 07:38:07 05/11/16 (1)

Same here, found his La Mer to be surprisingly bland. Toscanini's is my favorite. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:12:12 05/11/16 (0)

Used to love tuning into classical station which was 120 miles away in San Francisco - jdaniel@jps.net 18:21:25 05/01/16 (1)

You can still listen to an SF based classical station - TGR 09:18:14 05/02/16 (0)

I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - Rick W 16:25:16 05/01/16 (1)

RE: I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - svisner 19:49:29 05/02/16 (0)

RE: Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:57:32 05/01/16 (0)

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The Test Still Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses?? WHY?? - Newey 22:36:26 05/03/16 (3)

It's not a worthy question as is. It's like asking why Martha Stewart used 10 eggs. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:06:41 05/03/16 (2)

In Other Words - YOU HAVE NO IDEA - Newey 23:12:22 05/03/16 (1)

Do *you* know why Martha used 10 eggs? Really newey, really. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:19:07 05/03/16 (0)

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