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In Reply to: And, What A Slap In The Face of HIPs - Your Freudian Slip posted by Newey on May 2, 2016 at 23:13:36:
I'm there must be some. So, which ones?
I'm betting probably ----- none. But, who knows. Enlighten me. Enlighten us all.
Even if there are one or two, most of them use 3 to 4 max. They hate basses, and strings. Probably that, together with non-vibrato, has a partially TONE DEAF, mostly dim and imperceptive and inexperienced listener such as you confused and confusing the OSR [or the Vienna Opera Symphony Orchestra or the Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra or --- well, the list goes on and on] with some squeaky HIPS.
BUT - those EIGHT [8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 EIGHT] basses make a difference - if you;re not tone deaf. The foundation of their sound is all different from some 3-bass HIPs. I hear it. Lot's of folks HEAR IT.
Except ---------> YOU
YOU DON'T HEAR IT. You can't tell the difference. Poor Yiminy.
Yet ANOTHER EMBARRASSING public moment for JDaniels. One in a long series, stretching back too ---------
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:56:33 05/01/16 (118)
- Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:33:21 05/04/16 (29)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - Mali 21:30:08 05/04/16 (21)
- Thinking about this a little more. . . - Chris from Lafayette 09:46:48 05/05/16 (15)
- Mmmmm don't agree re universality of gossamer (ahem) string sound. The UK orchestras of the time, the US big 5, heck - jdaniel@jps.net 18:48:38 05/05/16 (12)
- Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - Chris from Lafayette 19:46:33 05/05/16 (11)
- RE: Didn't mean to imply it was universal - Sorry! - jdaniel@jps.net 20:07:47 05/05/16 (10)
- "Only from pov of timbre" - rbolaw 08:35:10 05/06/16 (9)
- You may have had more than enough, but ever more tiresomeness awaits (at least as long as I'm around)! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:58 05/06/16 (8)
- Have you heard Ligeti's Violin Concerto? IMHO the real deal, doesn't descend into compassionate cacaphonism. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:15:20 05/07/16 (5)
- Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - Chris from Lafayette 15:47:12 05/07/16 (4)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - rbolaw 07:47:24 05/08/16 (3)
- RE: Yup - the Ligeti Piano Etudes are classics already - svisner 12:23:33 05/08/16 (0)
- I thought Bernstein was always on the Stravinsky side of the Schoenberg/Stravinsky split - Chris from Lafayette 10:08:09 05/08/16 (1)
- IIRC Bernstein saw such music as a good way to cleanse the (tonal) pallette. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:59:32 05/08/16 (0)
- Yes, I know more tiresomeness awaits, but no battle. - rbolaw 10:10:29 05/06/16 (1)
- Really? You don't know who I mean by "post-Webernists"? (Hint: it's not Poulenc!) [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 00:55:42 05/07/16 (0)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - Mali 10:24:07 05/05/16 (1)
- RE: Thinking about this a little more. . . - jdaniel@jps.net 19:15:59 05/05/16 (0)
- Actually, I can see that too, although HIP sound is of course way thinner [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 23:40:45 05/04/16 (4)
- I prefer gossamer. Fantastic in the opening of Ravel's Rhapsody Espagnol nt - jdaniel@jps.net 07:06:32 05/05/16 (3)
- Haven't heard Ansermet/OSR in that piece - Chris from Lafayette 09:32:33 05/05/16 (0)
- That's one of Ansermet's best imo. nt - rbolaw 08:50:32 05/05/16 (1)
- Glad you agree. Love his Ravel box set and separately his L'Enfant which is a fabulous recording. 99c for the Richmond ! - jdaniel@jps.net 19:12:02 05/05/16 (0)
- Well CDs don't do the delicate string sound justice, that said... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:04:26 05/04/16 (2)
- From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:34 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: From today's perspective, yes, it was a unique sound - jdaniel@jps.net 20:14:05 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: Not to extend the thread in the direction it's been going or anything. . . - John N 17:46:23 05/04/16 (3)
- My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:51 05/04/16 (2)
- But can you tell me why Martha Stuart used 10 eggs.... - jdaniel@jps.net 19:17:47 05/04/16 (0)
- RE: My own feeling about that Ansermet German Requiem recording. . . - svisner 18:56:02 05/04/16 (0)
- Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - Newey 22:52:05 05/03/16 (13)
- RE: Announcement: I'll Be Taking A Break From Here - dgaapc7 16:20:12 05/05/16 (1)
- I think it does take two to tango, and certainly there was provocation [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 19:52:24 05/05/16 (0)
- It did not appear that you had a day job.nt - briggs 16:32:48 05/04/16 (0)
- Thanks! Hope you enjoy your break as much as we will... - musetap 10:27:03 05/04/16 (2)
- Are you kidding??!! I'm already drunk. - oldmkvi 10:31:50 05/04/16 (1)
- Yes... the air smells better, the sun is out, flowers blooming... - musetap 10:40:52 05/04/16 (0)
- You can't, what will we do? - oldmkvi 07:15:39 05/04/16 (1)
- Your first post I saw called someone a Liar. That's all you do, I'm sick of it and you. Go. Now. nt - oldmkvi 08:14:23 05/04/16 (0)
- Good luck to you. - D Harvey 05:17:42 05/04/16 (0)
- Newey, everyone's in bed. They could give a shit about our wheel spinning. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:08:32 05/03/16 (1)
- At Last You Posted One True Statement - Newey 23:14:18 05/03/16 (0)
- Before I Go - Note That My Posts Are Full of Music Info - Newey 23:05:38 05/03/16 (1)
- Oh Tosca, just jump off the rampart already! Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:20:23 05/03/16 (0)
- If the OSR = HIP, Then What Does That Make the PCO? - Newey 22:32:35 05/03/16 (5)
- You're being tedious again. Why would anyone *not* assume that the PCO of the time wouldn't sound similar? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:51:49 05/03/16 (4)
- You're Spinning & Lying Again - You're Stepping In A Pile --Again - Newey 22:59:54 05/03/16 (3)
- Yeah, the PCO could have bought their woodwinds from Japan and their trumpets from Moscow.... - jdaniel@jps.net 23:15:09 05/03/16 (2)
- "people on here already know that orchestras shared the same characteristic sound" - Newey 23:20:22 05/03/16 (1)
- So I momentarily forgot about the PCO. You want that one, you can have it. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:34:33 05/03/16 (0)
- The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - Newey 10:00:28 05/03/16 (13)
- RE: The Liar Caught In Action: 3-4 Bass Become 6, 'Negligible' to 8 - mes 15:51:20 05/03/16 (0)
- sigh. Just expand the pic of Norrington's HIP band. Count to six. - jdaniel@jps.net 10:19:59 05/03/16 (11)
- HIP Number of Basses - Newey 21:30:33 05/03/16 (10)
- Your point was flawed from get go. Number of basses isn't for purposes of eye candy. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:44:01 05/03/16 (9)
- HOLY CRAP - DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST? - Newey 21:49:28 05/03/16 (8)
- But it was based upon your flawed premise, just like your rant based upon misreading "A" for "G". It's waste of time. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:54:07 05/03/16 (7)
- WHAT FLAWED PREMISE?????? - Newey 21:58:01 05/03/16 (6)
- That 8+ string bases (not "1, 2 or 3" as you marveled) = musical Truth. It's a silly naive generaliztion, and all the - jdaniel@jps.net 22:16:44 05/03/16 (4)
- EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - Newey 22:25:24 05/03/16 (3)
- RE: EXACTLY When and Where Did I Say THAT?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? - jdaniel@jps.net 22:33:47 05/03/16 (2)
- What???? Implied Where??? Never Said or Implied - Just Another Lying Spin of Yours - Newey 22:38:48 05/03/16 (1)
- I Was Merely Making Fun of Tiny, Squeaky HIP ensenbles - Newey 22:42:08 05/03/16 (0)
- Here Are Jiminy's Truely Flawed Premises - Newey 22:06:47 05/03/16 (0)
- I DO NOT "tear" Through Wiki - Nor ANYTHING For My Information - Newey 09:46:44 05/03/16 (28)
- Newey: the instruments themselves don't create vibrato. The players do. My point about the OSR's sound is - jdaniel@jps.net 10:27:51 05/03/16 (27)
- More Lying In Action - Fabricating, Spinning, & Backpedaling - Look As I Reveal & Demolish - Newey 21:16:26 05/03/16 (4)
- when I'm engaging in shop talk with fellow musicians, context and caveats needn't be tediously spelled out. - jdaniel@jps.net 22:04:55 05/03/16 (3)
- Really? Context and Caveats or just Backpeddling and Spinning - Newey 22:10:59 05/03/16 (2)
- Tedious remediation so you could better understand. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:20:22 05/03/16 (1)
- Nope. Just Spinning and Backpeddiling - Newey 22:46:33 05/03/16 (0)
- I get your point. - rbolaw 19:17:55 05/03/16 (21)
- An Informative and Engaging Exchange - Newey 20:22:31 05/03/16 (2)
- No butt kissing here of course. : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:49:38 05/03/16 (1)
- Nope. Just Interested Questions - Newey 22:08:23 05/03/16 (0)
- Hugs and kisses but no: I've said in the past that the OSR sounds delightfully HIP - jdaniel@jps.net 20:08:13 05/03/16 (17)
- The 10 Basses of the Karajan BPO - And A Little Test for Jiminy - Newey 21:37:23 05/03/16 (7)
- Sigh. Was a condescending exaggeration. You're going off the deep end lately. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:46:46 05/03/16 (6)
- The Test Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses??? - Newey 22:01:05 05/03/16 (5)
- For which piece? I've told you a million times it's not a fixed number, chosen by a newey- approved conductor - jdaniel@jps.net 22:32:15 05/03/16 (4)
- The Test Still Remains- Why Did Karajan Use 10 Basses?? WHY?? - Newey 22:36:26 05/03/16 (3)
- It's not a worthy question as is. It's like asking why Martha Stewart used 10 eggs. - jdaniel@jps.net 23:06:41 05/03/16 (2)
- In Other Words - YOU HAVE NO IDEA - Newey 23:12:22 05/03/16 (1)
- Do *you* know why Martha used 10 eggs? Really newey, really. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 23:19:07 05/03/16 (0)
- Jiminy's Butt-Kissing Continues - Newey 21:00:33 05/03/16 (5)
- Jiminy - You Said That Ansermet Was A Nazi - Newey 21:56:27 05/03/16 (3)
- I did? Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 22:21:13 05/03/16 (2)
- Lol I disagreed with him. Let it go. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 21:47:46 05/03/16 (0)
- And Yet Another Straw Man Shot - Will The Liar Ever Stop? - Newey 20:44:20 05/03/16 (0)
- Uh - I Was Replying To Mr. Rbolaw - Not You - Newey 20:36:25 05/03/16 (1)
- Yes I was too, about a 1/2 hour before your post. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:56:44 05/03/16 (0)
- Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - alc777 23:38:40 05/02/16 (2)
- RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - svisner 04:58:25 05/04/16 (1)
- RE: Some cover arts of Ansermet's recordings - thank you (NT) - alc777 20:20:53 05/04/16 (0)
- OMG - Look At That Drop Dead Gorgeous Non-HIP Orchestra - Newey 19:43:40 05/02/16 (8)
- Lol is there any pile you don't go out of your way to step in? The Suisse Romande pictured, with its locally - jdaniel@jps.net 22:26:06 05/02/16 (6)
- The OSR Winds Used Vibrato - The OPPOSITE of HIPs - Newey 00:37:04 05/03/16 (1)
- Psst: was talking about the pungent, heterogeneous sound they produced. I've never met someone so ill - jdaniel@jps.net 00:55:19 05/03/16 (0)
- The Only Pile I've Stepped On Is You - Tone Deaf - Newey 23:02:36 05/02/16 (3)
- And, What A Slap In The Face of HIPs - Your Freudian Slip - Newey 23:13:36 05/02/16 (2)
- And - What HIP Orchestra Uses EIGHT Basses? - Newey 23:27:19 05/02/16 (1)
- All things being equal, the difference in volume between 6 basses vs 8 is IMO negligible, though no doubt - jdaniel@jps.net 00:31:19 05/03/16 (0)
- And That Hall - Concert Hall of my Dreams - Gorgeous [nt] - Newey 20:21:15 05/02/16 (0)
- You have good listening ahead - andy evans 09:26:30 05/02/16 (1)
- RE: You have good listening ahead - svisner 19:52:40 05/02/16 (0)
- Ansermet one of my favorite discoveries after going back vinyl. Mt - jdaniel@jps.net 17:23:25 05/01/16 (7)
- It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - rbolaw 18:06:46 05/01/16 (6)
- RE: It wouldn't have been a discovery if you were a bit older. - svisner 19:47:57 05/02/16 (3)
- I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - jdaniel@jps.net 22:36:04 05/02/16 (2)
- RE: I cherish those lps. The only Amsermet I'm not sold on is his Debussy with the exception of - Pat D 07:38:07 05/11/16 (1)
- Same here, found his La Mer to be surprisingly bland. Toscanini's is my favorite. Nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:12:12 05/11/16 (0)
- Used to love tuning into classical station which was 120 miles away in San Francisco - jdaniel@jps.net 18:21:25 05/01/16 (1)
- You can still listen to an SF based classical station - TGR 09:18:14 05/02/16 (0)
- I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - Rick W 16:25:16 05/01/16 (1)
- RE: I have that Saint Saens 3rd on LP. Agree - very good performance/sound. nt - svisner 19:49:29 05/02/16 (0)
- RE: Ernest Ansermet - French Music - svisner 15:57:32 05/01/16 (0)
Follow Ups
- And - What HIP Orchestra Uses EIGHT Basses? - Newey 23:27:19 05/02/16 (1)
- All things being equal, the difference in volume between 6 basses vs 8 is IMO negligible, though no doubt - jdaniel@jps.net 00:31:19 05/03/16 (0)
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