In Reply to: NYPO Strings posted by Newey on April 26, 2016 at 16:24:44:
Newey: First, I have not heard the NYPO outside of Geffen Hall (which will close in a few weeks for about two years.) expect in several outdoor concerts. Friends have actually heard them play in Tanglewood(outdoors) and felt as I did. But as for the Columbia recordings that you own. I had stack of Bernstein performances, on that record label and he entire sound on those LP's is very restricted, as much as their orchestral recording was. their epic label always sounded much better. My point being: the sound stinks with little reverb depth or the ability to place sections. What you are hearing is not what I am hearing on my records. I can specifically recall the Mahler 2 and 3, the latter of which i think is one of the great Mahler 3's in the catalogue.I played these records on electrostatics or planers.
Now for the live stuff, all at Lincoln Center. I do not trust my memory of the Bernstein performances live. But from Boulez on I felt there is "hard flat, hardly robust, but loud and harsh as the volume increases. The cellos which is supposed to be the foundation of the section never achieves that sweeping, ocean like bellow vibrato sound(coming from the belly that might hear from Cleveland, BPO VPO etc.The viols and violins are segmented on top of cellos and basses, sound like a poor mid range on and inexpensive hi-fi. No bloom. I heard a Mahler 8 with Maazel,and he had the orchestra in balance with the huge chorus. A full evening of German romantic music can be grating.I have listened in all sections of the hall and the sound softens little. It is and has always been since Bernstein an unhappy orchestra.Again I do not know how you can make a judgement even from the remaster Sony Bernstein recordings, as the limitations remain. Maybe the Hall has forced the strings to play in an unnatural way.(By the way there has been a major turnover in that section with Julliard infusion but it is still the same to my ears. (As you know Hall and orchestra has been measured a million time and the conclusion-REBUILD THE HALL.
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- RE: NYPO Strings - Utley1 20:02:15 04/26/16 (3)
- "their epic label always sounded much better" - Chris from Lafayette 07:59:15 04/27/16 (1)
- RE: "their epic label always sounded much better" - Utley1 09:30:36 04/27/16 (0)
- RE: NYPO Strings - Utley1 20:11:34 04/26/16 (0)