I did say "born during the 20th century"...

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Topic - Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - Chris from Lafayette 10:44:30 01/20/16 (73)

But Boulez is right - gd 19:51:30 01/25/16 (4)

RE: But Boulez is right - ivan_terrible 04:01:46 02/01/16 (3)

But Boulez is still right - gd 06:30:34 02/01/16 (2)

RE: But Boulez is still right - ivan_terrible 07:19:25 02/01/16 (1)

Boulez is dead - gd 10:32:12 02/01/16 (0)

The first mov't of Shostakovich's 4th should guarantee the guy respect, IMHO. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 08:33:01 01/22/16 (2)

Amen, Brother... - Ivan303 12:21:38 01/23/16 (1)

That skittering fugue in the middle is amazing. Jarvi's is my fav on Chandos. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:38:53 01/23/16 (0)

Are there any 20th century composers who are not "second rate"... - genungo 08:20:46 01/22/16 (17)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers who are not "second rate"... - learsfool 10:19:44 01/24/16 (5)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers who are not "second rate"... - ivan_terrible 04:33:00 02/01/16 (0)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers who are not "second rate"... - faskenite 13:55:57 01/24/16 (3)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers who are not "second rate"... - learsfool 22:38:46 01/27/16 (2)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers - Add Britten (n) - goldenthal 18:53:09 01/31/16 (1)

RE: Are there any 20th century composers - Add Britten (n) - learsfool 17:41:38 02/02/16 (0)

Shosty "top of the heap"? Come, come, surely you jest! - Chris from Lafayette 09:45:46 01/22/16 (10)

I did say "born during the 20th century"... - genungo 11:20:28 01/22/16 (9)

This is simple. Prokofiev bores me, Shostakovich doesn't. nt. - MWE 16:17:01 01/22/16 (2)

I'm sure that with greater experience, careful listening, and. . . - Chris from Lafayette 21:14:05 01/23/16 (0)

Interesting. I've never tired of Prokofiev, hope I never do. - jdaniel@jps.net 09:35:39 01/23/16 (0)

Yes, you said, "born during the 20th century (or just before)" - Chris from Lafayette 15:28:36 01/22/16 (4)

LOL. I knew my mentality was bent, but was unaware the bend is *literary*. nt - Rick W 09:26:56 01/23/16 (0)

RE: Yes, you said, "born during the 20th century (or just before)" - Ivan303 19:40:48 01/22/16 (0)

Great, but all of the composers you've just mentioned... - genungo 16:52:47 01/22/16 (1)

I suppose one needs a certain critical mass among audiences, academicians and performers to be considered great - Chris from Lafayette 19:29:08 01/22/16 (0)

I'd say Copland. In my mind he's fist rate.(nt) - kuma 11:37:52 01/22/16 (0)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - afro18 06:12:35 01/22/16 (0)

Shostakovich wrote his worst stuff to placate Stalin and the censors - Jay Buridan 17:55:09 01/21/16 (17)

True. - rbolaw 19:54:47 01/21/16 (16)

I understand what you're trying to say, but. . . - Chris from Lafayette 20:45:34 01/21/16 (15)

RE: I understand what you're trying to say, but. . . - krisjan 13:02:17 01/23/16 (2)

Thanks for the info - I of course have not heard everything by Shostakovich - Chris from Lafayette 21:48:33 01/23/16 (1)

Correction: I have Elizabeth Wilson's biography about DSCH not Fey's - krisjan 05:32:55 01/24/16 (0)

Oh, relax and have some vodka! ;-) nt - rbolaw 06:27:01 01/22/16 (6)

RE: Oh, relax and have some vodka! ;-) nt - Chris from Lafayette 09:07:15 01/22/16 (5)

Go against the grain... - genungo 10:27:34 01/23/16 (1)

Interesting - I didn't realize Idaho had so many excellent vodkas [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 21:54:38 01/23/16 (0)

I brought about 8 different brands home from Russia - rbolaw 09:55:49 01/22/16 (2)

Did you ever try a brand called "Kremlin Award"? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 10:16:07 01/22/16 (1)

RE: Did you ever try a brand called "Kremlin Award"? [nt] - rbolaw 11:25:13 01/22/16 (0)

His quartets were not atonal only because... - Jay Buridan 03:40:37 01/22/16 (2)

Good one! (nt) - krisjan 12:52:34 01/23/16 (0)

LOL! Now THAT is funny! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 09:01:54 01/22/16 (0)

RE: I understand what you're trying to say, but. . . - ahendler 22:24:35 01/21/16 (1)

Yeah - Putin has changed all that - you still don't want to get on the wrong side of him though! - Chris from Lafayette 09:31:52 01/22/16 (0)

If someone really loves a composer's music... - MWE 18:42:47 01/20/16 (2)

You are absolutely right - Chris from Lafayette 19:01:35 01/20/16 (1)

RE: Whacking hornets' nests - MWE 16:40:40 01/21/16 (0)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - rbolaw 17:53:53 01/20/16 (4)

Well, not all composers feel as Boulez did about musical "progress" - Chris from Lafayette 18:53:24 01/20/16 (3)

RE: Well, not all composers feel as Boulez did about musical "progress" - rbolaw 05:40:06 01/21/16 (2)

Hmm. . . I wonder if Milton Cross just rode the wave. . . - Chris from Lafayette 08:35:56 01/21/16 (1)

Right guy, right place, right time ... that's show biz! ;-) nt - rbolaw 09:58:31 01/21/16 (0)

Well .... - Amphissa 15:33:36 01/20/16 (3)

RE: "Shostakovich's difficult life story has led to his music being overrated as a whole." - Ivan303 19:43:15 01/20/16 (0)

Not to mention that Boulez was a VERY respected (possibly even great) conductor [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:41:39 01/20/16 (0)

Don't hold back, how do you really feel about Boulez as a composer? nt - rbolaw 17:55:22 01/20/16 (0)

"When he is bad, he is awful. - steve.ott@kctcs.edu 12:55:20 01/20/16 (6)

Milton Cross - one person with an opinion, no more, no less - Chris from Lafayette 15:13:57 01/20/16 (2)

A: "opinions are like asses; everybody's got one" - steve.ott@kctcs.edu 17:35:20 01/20/16 (1)

I couldn't agree more [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 18:37:50 01/20/16 (0)

I agree with Milton Cross - Jay Buridan 13:35:26 01/20/16 (2)

Milton Cross - rbolaw 18:08:26 01/20/16 (0)

RE: Did not know he recorded them. - steve.ott@kctcs.edu 17:37:20 01/20/16 (0)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - ahendler 10:47:58 01/20/16 (8)

ROTFLMAO WTOLRDMCheeks - Timbo in Oz 03:11:30 01/27/16 (0)

Exactly +++1 [nt] - Mike Porper 14:47:57 01/21/16 (0)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - Utley1 11:28:37 01/20/16 (4)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - pbarach 18:59:11 01/20/16 (3)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - Utley1 19:42:38 01/20/16 (2)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - PAR 22:26:11 01/20/16 (1)

RE: Boulez calls Shostakovich a "second-rate composer" - Utley1 04:51:14 01/21/16 (0)

LOL! Who knows? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:50:00 01/20/16 (0)

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I did say "born during the 20th century"... - genungo 11:20:28 01/22/16 (9)

This is simple. Prokofiev bores me, Shostakovich doesn't. nt. - MWE 16:17:01 01/22/16 (2)

I'm sure that with greater experience, careful listening, and. . . - Chris from Lafayette 21:14:05 01/23/16 (0)

Interesting. I've never tired of Prokofiev, hope I never do. - jdaniel@jps.net 09:35:39 01/23/16 (0)

Yes, you said, "born during the 20th century (or just before)" - Chris from Lafayette 15:28:36 01/22/16 (4)

LOL. I knew my mentality was bent, but was unaware the bend is *literary*. nt - Rick W 09:26:56 01/23/16 (0)

RE: Yes, you said, "born during the 20th century (or just before)" - Ivan303 19:40:48 01/22/16 (0)

Great, but all of the composers you've just mentioned... - genungo 16:52:47 01/22/16 (1)

I suppose one needs a certain critical mass among audiences, academicians and performers to be considered great - Chris from Lafayette 19:29:08 01/22/16 (0)

I'd say Copland. In my mind he's fist rate.(nt) - kuma 11:37:52 01/22/16 (0)

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