In Reply to: My 2 cents, with an example (a bit long) posted by rbolaw on November 16, 2014 at 11:24:35:
As I hinted, it's exactly the same as the judge at a music competition. Imagine a judge withholding… judgment?
If one mainly wishes for all the material that leads up to an opinion, one can read a musicologist!
Don't misunderstand, a bloated opinion piece with no information as you detailed truly would be worthless: we must know something of the person's standards, the way the performer met or missed them.
You seemingly would ask a restaurant critic to detail the food preparation, the history of the dish---- and omit the taste and flavor, the skill of execution.
(BTW, I think Schonberg was a fine writer and I valued his opinions, though I differed much with his--- as I have with all others. I'd mention, in passing, that G. B. Shaw was a fantastic music critic; of course, it's hard to fault his language…).
Edits: 11/16/14
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- I'd say you're missing the point of criticism: of course it's about judging the performance! - tinear 20:24:26 11/16/14 (34)
- RE: I'd say you're missing the point of criticism: of course it's about judging the performance! - goldenthal 17:35:52 11/23/14 (0)
- RE: I'd say you're missing the point of criticism: of course it's about judging the performance! - David Smith 20:56:54 11/16/14 (32)
- "…a critic is not a judge." Really? Pray, visit the last sentence in the text. - tinear 08:21:46 11/17/14 (6)
- Sorry, tin - these days, music critics are mostly entertainers - Chris from Lafayette 09:50:16 11/17/14 (2)
- Straw men are fun to burn! Re-read my posts. I say nothing you address. nt - tinear 12:38:28 11/17/14 (1)
- I think you should re-read your posts yourself. . . - Chris from Lafayette 14:07:54 11/17/14 (0)
- You're welcome to believe whatever you want and revere critics as you wish. nt - David Smith 09:07:31 11/17/14 (2)
- Well, thank you! I trust your petard didn't damage you too much. nt - tinear 12:40:50 11/17/14 (1)
- It's not nice to imply that others are petarded. * - D Harvey 15:13:05 11/17/14 (0)
- Yes. Notice the quote from Virgil Thomson - rbolaw 07:11:23 11/17/14 (24)
- That Thomson quote seems ridiculous to me. - Rick W 10:40:48 11/17/14 (19)
- Not to me... - Jim Treanor 17:34:46 11/17/14 (6)
- Huh? So because some "qualified" criticism is off base......... - Rick W 11:09:10 11/18/14 (5)
- You're just trolling here, Rick. - Jim Treanor 16:18:09 11/18/14 (4)
- Pertinent to what? - Rick W 19:54:23 11/18/14 (3)
- RE: Pertinent to what? - Jim Treanor 11:26:29 11/19/14 (2)
- Dunno about that one, but I'm gonna get the Slonimsky. Thanks. nt - Rick W 13:29:38 11/19/14 (1)
- I was thinking the same. - D Harvey 09:46:51 11/20/14 (0)
- But Rick - that's just the reality of the situation - Chris from Lafayette 14:32:50 11/17/14 (7)
- I'm not disputing "reality", I'm just arguing against Thomson's view that........ - Rick W 10:10:55 11/18/14 (4)
- "Its just turd polishing" - Yup, that's what it is sometimes [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:14:12 11/18/14 (0)
- RE: I'm not disputing "reality", I'm just arguing against Thomson's view that........ - rbolaw 11:09:35 11/18/14 (2)
- Hmm, then you're expressing what he meant better than he did. - Rick W 12:53:49 11/18/14 (1)
- Well, I'm not being ... - rbolaw 13:14:53 11/18/14 (0)
- Alex Ross - rbolaw 16:02:41 11/17/14 (1)
- Yes - I think that's what tin is looking for. . . - Chris from Lafayette 19:01:57 11/17/14 (0)
- But keep in mind ... - rbolaw 12:44:44 11/17/14 (3)
- Bad examples. - Rick W 13:09:48 11/17/14 (2)
- Hah! Good examples. - rbolaw 13:28:11 11/17/14 (1)
- RE: Hah! Good examples. - Rick W 13:51:40 11/17/14 (0)
- Bollocks. Artists have a reason to fear critics and disparage them. A good critic hardly - tinear 08:27:16 11/17/14 (3)
- There are no qualifications for becoming a critic. None. - David Smith 09:10:12 11/17/14 (1)
- Sounds like "The Audio Critic" - D Harvey 13:41:49 11/17/14 (0)
- "good critics are professionals" - Chris from Lafayette 08:52:51 11/17/14 (0)