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RE: I think you misunderstood

"A much easier way would be to determine if the notes are consistently in-tune, and in the case of singing to be familiar enough with singing to know that people are capable of singing a steady pitch without the aid of auto tune."

This is maybe the crux of the disagreement. Auto-tuned clips *can* contain out-of-tune components. The key is the *locking* on the notes, which is totally absent when the app is not applied.

I've stated in the past, Elton John is a very pitch-accurate singer. But I don't hear any "locking effect" in his "The Diving Board" album.... There is some belief that a pitch accurate singer would be difficult to distinguish from an Auto-Tuned one, but it's rather easy..... A lot easier than to distinguish one Auto-Tuned singer from another.

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