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RE: I Really Wish I Were

Posted by Analog Scott (A) on June 7, 2012 at 14:06:54

In Reply to: I Really Wish I Were posted by Mike Porper on June 7, 2012 at 08:45:01:

>> Obviously, I can't speak of your television program, although, I rather doubt the truth about your statement,>>


At least you are being consistant in forming opinions without facts.

>> since TV producers are extremely cautious about having any slip ups; hence, they'll always go for a sure thing, rather than risk something as unpredictable and unstable as a live performance. Here's an example for you: this thread. Read the head post.>>


Really? Do tell us what TV producers have confided in you and gave you this insight as to how they think.



>> Fake ["lip synched"} performances on television are standard. Whitney Houston's singing of the national anthem here in the United States of America prior to the opening of the Super Bowl a few years back just pops into mind.>>


And this would be a classic logical fallacy. You cherry pick your data and then draw sweeping universal conclusions.

>> What many popular bands do, and have done for some time, is to allow the lead singer to sing live. All of the back-up vocals are pre-recorded and mixed in, as has been the rule for decades, going back to the late 70s, as I've mentioned.>>


Repeating the stuff that you make up doesn't make it any less made up. And you are making your numbers up.




>> Most so-called R&B acts are mostly faked in live performance. As are many others. It never fails to both amuse and anger me when see a Celtic Woman so-called "live" performance, where the violin player lady is running, jumping, skipping, hopping, and joyfully bounding across the stage ---all while continuing to play violin.>>


Now I just have to ask what concerts are you going to? In the many many many concerts I have gone to I have never encountered a Celtic woman playing the violin and skipping, hopping and joyfully bounding across the stage.

>>Running and playing violin!!!! Read that sentence again.>>


I already did read it again. Clearly we are not going to the same shows. I have seen Ian Anderson run around stage a bit and stop to play the flute. But it is quite clear that he is in fact actually playing live when he does it. That's about the closest thing I have seen to a Celtic woman hopping, bounding and dancing across a stage while playing a violin.




I used to play violin. It's a delicate instrument. You can't move much while doing it, cause the bow will just loose contact with the strings.


Ever see Joshua Bell? Or is it your position that he is faking it too?



>> You may watch the country bands that have violin players [still actually playing live] and note that even when they move while playing, it very restricted. Mostly, they just sway. It's physically imposible to play the instument while moving much. Forget running. Bounding. Hoping. Jumping.>>

Well, yeah. I saw Alison Krauss last year. There wasn't a whole lot of running jumping and dancing across the stage. Oh and there wasn't any lip syncing going on either. They were actually playing their music live. According to you they are in that rare 5%? really? 5%?




>> Yet, there she is, Celtic Woman, running, skipping --- while the music from her violin pours out without even the slightest scrape. Scrape: something any violin player knows, can occur even if you're standing still and concentrating.>>


I suppose if you transfix on this one weird odd ball show and ignore the thousands upon thousands of other live shows your numbers may start to seem believable. But that is what we call cherry picking. It leads to erroneous conclusions like 95% of the live acts are lip syncing in concert.




>> Lot's of popular music's still played fully live in local bars across the country. But, in an amazing number of them, technology driven semi-live has also taken over. In one such venue I listened to a rock band without any singers play with a singer and full harmony vocals. The singing was in perfect synchrony with the playing. Why? Cause vith voltage triggers, there're no timing issues. The band had the vocals pre-recorded, packed on the hard drive controling the entire performance, and voltage triggers set every song in motion.>>


And in the many bands I have seen at local dives and such I see folks actually playing live and singing live. Rebecca Pidgeon, Rocco Deluca, Sasha Masakowsky, Marny Herald are recent artists I have seen in such venues numerous times. They are clearly playing their stuff and singing their stuff live.

>> None of this is new or shocking. Any street corner musician [anyone, you, me, anyone]can buy pre-recorded material on a thumb drive, plug it into their amp, then plug in their own instrument, any play with a full band...that isn't actaully there. And, you may go into any big city and find scores of street musicians doing just that. For some odd reason, you seem to want to deny the reality happening right in front of you.>>


I guess I just avoid garden variety crap lounge acts and dancing Celtic violinists. If you have ever been to a sound check you know what is and is not live. I know what I am seeing.

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