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RE: Interesting...

Posted by Todd Krieger (A) on December 12, 2009 at 02:02:50

In Reply to: Interesting... posted by Sordidman on December 11, 2009 at 14:12:37:

"Was living in Leeds shortly after the punk revolution. Which I regard as not a music movement, but a socio-political one. Of course, - that's in dispute, as perhaps its historical importance."

You IMO hit on a major element of what I think is the problem- Prior to 1970, I think people were able to separate the music from the politics and judge them separately....... But something changed in the 1970s...... People started using non-musical biases to judge the music as music, and it's been all downhill ever since.

"I recognize that we always think the best music was when we were 18. And since punk-rock was largely a rebellion against all things 70s, - I guess that that is weight on my head."

I don't know where this mindset came from, yet I've encountered it a lot here on AA...... I never had this urge to put music of my generation front and center, back in my teen years....... In spite of others doing it around me..........

"Punk Rock used music as a tool to reject the current music, and social values of that time."

You're probably correct here...... But some of it at one time (what was called "New Wave") still seemed interesting.......

"In the same sense that John Lydon, Clash, GofF and the Jam were rebellious: Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Bill Haley, were too. Even before Mick Jagger lost perspective and said that the new RS record sounded like Husker Du: (sic), in the late 80s; (the RS actually were 'shocking' and rebellious in 1968."

I think at one time, the style had an edge, wrapped around decent songwriting....... What I think changed is that the style (and lyrics) eventually became a *substitute* for good songwriting......... (I think John Lennon subconsciously transformed to this form of music making after his Beatles days.)

"Since HipHop, there is no more rebellion and it's just POP music."

Establishment or rebellion, the one thing that strikes me as lacking is **passion** behind the music. (I watch modern bands, and they seem **timid** on stage, compared to what I saw 20 to 30 years ago.) I think half the problem is peer pressure has forced people to listen to music for social reasons, and the musical element that drives the passion has become insufficient in recent time.

"Rock music has been 'disposable' for a long time,"

That's the problem...... It's not just rock...... **All** music has been treated as disposable. This peer pressure has discouraged younger people from exploring great music, regardless of era, in my humble opinion. The very element that I think would have sustained the passion I mentioned above.

"and in the grand scheme of things, my mind knows that the early 80s were really no better than the music of the early 70s, or mid 50s, - which I find not only distasteful, but distracting."

Tastes are tastes....... The worst anyone can do is disagree.........

"The facts on the ground are that wealthy Record Industry Executives exploited art and artists for their own benefit; and continue to do it; just in different ways. Any chance that I get to hurt them, (and get away with), I will."

I don't think it's the record labels, but the network media...... Those airing music to national audiences foster this peer pressure by dictating which music should or should not get exposure. The record label execs might try to influence these decisions via contributions to the networks, but until this monolith is broken (provided it ever will be), the fabrications who get airplay will be the only real music exposure the masses who cannot think outside the box will ever get.

I remember back in the 1960s, the network media was not overly restrictive with the type of music being aired. There were even a lot of classical concerts being aired in those days. I don't know what happened, but things changed drastically in the early 1970s, and it seems like the public no longer thought freely about music. And there, in my opinion, is the root of the travesty.

It would be great if people could think for themselves, and bypass the peer pressure and network restriction of music aired. The internet might have improved things, but I really don't know if the public acceptance of a *variety* of music (and music for the sake of music) will ever be the same.

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