In Reply to: RE: "You need to hear both and make a decision with your ears" posted by geoffkait on December 10, 2015 at 03:01:02:
Measurements and tests from 3rdparty sources don't lie about a speaker's performance. It is what it is and physics cannot be argued with. Where the issue lies is the brain's interpretation of what we hear. Hearing is very subjective while measurements are objective and absolute. These old audiophile statements you have quoted come out of ignorance by the audiophile community as a whole and shows a complete misunderstanding in the difference between object measurements and subjective interpretation. Subjective interpretation does not mean listening only. It also infers other biases such as our moods, visual stimulation, etc. How many of us sat and listened to our systems listening to the same source of music and on different days and have reached different opinions of our system? Its not the system that performed differently. Its our subjective interpretation of what we heard at that time that is influencing what he heard.
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- RE: "You need to hear both and make a decision with your ears" - 3db 04:56:54 12/10/15 (37)
- BTW - E-Stat 09:35:03 12/10/15 (27)
- Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 10:53:38 12/10/15 (26)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - E-Stat 11:20:02 12/10/15 (25)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 11:52:31 12/10/15 (24)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - E-Stat 12:51:54 12/10/15 (23)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 05:45:56 12/11/15 (22)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - E-Stat 06:54:38 12/11/15 (21)
- The bottom one. Easy question. - Dave_K 08:48:23 12/12/15 (7)
- Correct - E-Stat 09:09:00 12/12/15 (6)
- RE: Correct - Dave_K 13:55:55 12/12/15 (5)
- RE: Correct - E-Stat 14:42:20 12/12/15 (4)
- RE: Correct - Dave_K 04:30:40 12/13/15 (3)
- Great observations - E-Stat 10:48:00 12/13/15 (2)
- Thanks - Dave_K 07:08:38 12/16/15 (1)
- More agreement - E-Stat 07:57:13 12/16/15 (0)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 07:39:47 12/11/15 (12)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - E-Stat 07:45:38 12/11/15 (11)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 08:29:50 12/11/15 (10)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - E-Stat 08:37:46 12/11/15 (9)
- RE: Naturally you would bring up exceptions... - 3db 08:45:01 12/11/15 (8)
- Thanks for making my point :) - E-Stat 09:07:56 12/11/15 (7)
- RE: Thanks for making my point :) - 3db 11:19:48 12/11/15 (5)
- Read the words more carefully - E-Stat 11:39:56 12/11/15 (4)
- RE: Read the words more carefully - 3db 14:07:21 12/11/15 (3)
- This time, read your OWN words more carefully! - E-Stat 14:14:30 12/11/15 (2)
- RE: This time, read your OWN words more carefully! - 3db 19:46:09 12/11/15 (1)
- Let us know - E-Stat 19:54:28 12/11/15 (0)
- That's funny because I don't see you pocessing this skill. nt - 3db 09:26:54 12/11/15 (0)
- RE: "You need to hear both and make a decision with your ears" - geoffkait 07:33:31 12/10/15 (8)
- Do you ever read Sterophile or look at Audioholics or Soundstage web pages? - 3db 11:00:33 12/10/15 (3)
- Not really - geoffkait 12:39:42 12/10/15 (2)
- RE: Not really - 3db 05:56:56 12/11/15 (1)
- Apparently there is a standard for measuring loudspeakers; - 3db 11:30:54 12/11/15 (0)
- RE: "You need to hear both and make a decision with your ears" - Tre' 09:29:40 12/10/15 (3)
- RE: "You need to hear both and make a decision with your ears" - geoffkait 09:47:57 12/10/15 (2)
- So why can you not differentiate between subjective preference - 3db 11:02:25 12/10/15 (1)
- I'm anti measurement. Can't you tell? Nt - geoffkait 12:45:10 12/10/15 (0)