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Ah, a fellow Dolphy Out to Lunch fan ;) the great larger scale arrangers in music... and rock

For a sec there I was getting nervous you might bring up Ornett Colman. Not that the guy hasnt made a few good albums. But overall he leaves me the wayside.

Some of the more abstract jazz is alright. But overall I just dont get overly into it. Not that Dolphy was a abstract musician. Just he can be kind of a gateway drug for that sound.

To me, Mingus is my fav example of ensemble / a leader who gets many musicians to come together to convey some deeper feeling and message that one just doesnt see with many other arrangers. And for me, you kinda have to appreciate the reality the guy was genius verging on nuts. He was just that into his music. Quite frankly it showed in a VERY positive way.

Many see Sun Ra as that kinda guy too. But again, allot of great examples but much of it just goes too off the rails for me to come along for the ride. Kinda ala Zappa if you will ;)

I will open by saying this is one heck of a reaching example.... But IMO there are few arrangers / composers who made large collaborative efforts work well in their core genre. At least focusing on non classical music. But Randy Newman. Yes I said it... Not the Disney Newman sadly most know. But if one listens to his two early MASTERPIECES, yes I will go that far. His albums Sail Away, and Good Old Boys, are some of the only examples of "rock" guys and or, non singer standard musicians to actually make strings work with the music wonderfully. And its not just strings. He managed to make so much other obscure accompaniment work within the music and IMO it blends and adds perfectly. These two early albums are IMO his zenith. Sorry long standing fans. But IMO he really peaked with these. I never tire of listening to em. Yes his voice is love hate. So no hard feelings if some just cant stomach. Kinda like us Rush fans too. Hey to each their own. I just had to bring it up on the notion of successful collaborative efforts that stand out to one. Sorry if this got too off the rails for some...

Agreed. Great and fun to bounce ideas.


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