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In Reply to: Actually....... posted by Winston Smith on January 19, 2015 at 21:03:41:
I agree with what you are saying here but that doesn't apply to those who can afford it and genuinely feel that people are being duped by glorified used car salesmen. People blow themselves up to kill people in the name of a religion that is completely fictitious without even the remotest scintilla of a shred of evidence - but they are sure because they feel it in their hearts and minds that it is "the truth."
We've all grown up with a kind of marketed brainwashing under a barrage of advertising of this cologne is better than that - this hand bag is better than the one without the logo, this watch is superior, this amp costs $3k so it is better than the one at $2k and we have not even gotten to cars where some, phones, computers etc.
Personally I have heard cables sound different but what I will say is that it's largely a crap shoot as to whether they will be superior. And what I find is that it always seems that if X is more expensive than Y and it comes from the right label it will be viewed as sounding better than Y - always. And that to me smacks of a bias leading the audition.
In a typical mixed and matched stereo system say:
Turntable
CD Transport
DAC
Preamplifier
Amplifier
Loudspeakers
It is quite possible that the above stereo will have internal cables that are different. 6 different cables internally.
Guy goes out and buys interconnects and cables - perhaps they're all the same cable which would be consistent and somewhat logical but it;s possible that they get the ICs from ABC and the speaker cables from XYZ.
So we're up to 7 cables from source to speaker voice coil. Which does not even begin to mention the wiring used in the actual microphones and mixer boards to record the albums (which will be different from recording to recording).
So you have a CD player using $0.05 wire to a DAC using maybe decent silver wiring - out through a $500 Silver IC, to a preamp using dumpy $0.05 copper to a $300 well reviewed copper IC to an amp using a different $0.05 wire to $2000 meter Nordost uber uber wires to a speaker using $1 a foot copper to a voice coil using $0.01 wire.
And then someone will say that $2000 Nordost speaker cable is much better than the $800 XYZ - cable - as some absolute fact that will carry into all systems no matter what. Or that there is a staggering night and day difference - well if there were staggering night and day differences then someone would be able to tell them apart in a level matched blind audition - and they can't. My issue isn't with the improvements (which I have heard) it's with the hyperbole that such a thing is an across the board improvement. It reminds me of people who come to the door and and say "Hi - have you heard the voice of God" and I say no - then they look at me as if I'm a pitiable fool while they have all the answers. Umm - personally I think people who hear voices in their head should be sent to an institution rather than being elected to office but that's me.
Objectivists should bother to actually try the cables - most outfits give 30 day money back guarantees so what's the harm. That said a subjectivist should not just chuck out all their critical faculties to try and join the "me too" crowd of "See I have XYZ cable that cost $1,000 so now I can be viewed as a "Real Audiophile."" Perhaps they should put their cables in level matched blind sessions just to see for themselves if belief and perception about a thing is fooling them. Where is the harm in the experiment?
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Follow Ups
- RE: Actually....... - RGA 21:57:22 01/19/15 (6)
- RE: Actually....... - thebordas 14:57:12 01/27/15 (0)
- RE: Actually....... - rick_m 08:41:10 01/20/15 (0)
- double blind doesn't matter it is the belief - bullethead 05:05:25 01/20/15 (3)
- RE: double blind doesn't matter it is the belief - uncle mag 12:36:12 01/20/15 (2)
- nuclear powered cars and houses I say - bullethead 14:44:01 01/20/15 (1)
- RE: nuclear powered cars and houses I say - uncle mag 15:21:29 01/20/15 (0)
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