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In Reply to: RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? posted by Old nuff 2 no better on September 11, 2014 at 14:55:58:
What we hear or perceive to hear is influenced by so many factors from moods, stress, state of mind as well as sight bias. Even sight bias changes depending on state of mind. Its very subjective from that point of view.
The problem with subjective results is that the listening process may not be repeatable with the exact same influencing factors. Therefore, I tend not rely on subjective claims as fact that there are differences between components. I don't doubt that the listener who claims to hear differences did perceive differences at that time but what were the influencing factors at that time? Can they be consistent enough to come up with the same results? IHO, I don't think so.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - genungo 08:14:29 09/11/14 (107)
- No. My gut feeling is usually right. (nt) - kuma 16:29:08 09/13/14 (1)
- Mine too... - genungo 10:08:59 09/14/14 (0)
- Rolling - Bob Neill 05:54:18 09/13/14 (2)
- when I bought my 2nd DAC I was hearing things - bullethead 02:19:33 09/13/14 (3)
- RE: hearing things - genungo 10:24:39 09/14/14 (0)
- Plug the old one back in and find out... - Nuit 08:20:44 09/13/14 (1)
- the 1st one is plugged in too, that's the second DAC in my chain - bullethead 08:37:19 09/13/14 (0)
- Yes , every time I listened to the AvanteGarde Duo's - Edp 11:16:05 09/12/14 (10)
- RE: Yes , every time I listened to the AvanteGarde Duo's - smart845 02:00:05 09/14/14 (0)
- My ears are bleeding - JeffH 08:58:31 09/13/14 (1)
- RE: My ears are bleeding - genungo 19:51:51 09/13/14 (0)
- Hey Quasimodo... - genungo 11:54:53 09/12/14 (6)
- Whats with the Quasimodo crack? - Edp 12:13:45 09/12/14 (5)
- I have heard them with Viva, Manley, Ear, Tenor, & Jadis - Sordidman 13:10:19 09/12/14 (3)
- They always......... - Awe-d-o-file 14:13:36 09/12/14 (2)
- With ya...... - Sordidman 14:51:34 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: With ya...... - Awe-d-o-file 20:51:22 09/13/14 (0)
- Sorry, no offense intended ! - genungo 12:19:50 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - George S. Roland 08:48:27 09/12/14 (3)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - middleground 04:38:24 09/13/14 (1)
- Excellent post - Inmate51 08:20:45 09/14/14 (0)
- Amen. - genungo 09:27:35 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - Rodney Gold 00:48:27 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: "tricked" - genungo 02:48:06 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - morricab 00:25:07 09/12/14 (0)
- Conclusion ???? - Potrzebie 22:09:29 09/11/14 (2)
- RE: Conclusion ???? - George S. Roland 08:53:51 09/12/14 (0)
- Agree... - genungo 02:44:50 09/12/14 (0)
- LOTS of Times........ - Todd Krieger 20:16:34 09/11/14 (8)
- Not just placebo but raw desire!.. - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 07:37:09 09/12/14 (3)
- It's called "cognitive dissonance"! :-)) nt - andyr 01:41:27 09/13/14 (1)
- And "confirmation bias" (nt) - slapshot 17:25:07 09/13/14 (0)
- RE: Not just placebo but raw desire!.. - Todd Krieger 15:57:21 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Ack dAck ? - genungo 21:15:21 09/11/14 (3)
- RE: Ack dAck ? - Todd Krieger 00:31:37 09/12/14 (2)
- RE: Ack dAck ? - genungo 02:40:08 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: Ack dAck ? - Todd Krieger 13:05:28 09/12/14 (0)
- Never underestimate the placebo effect - FenderLover 19:15:52 09/11/14 (0)
- Not that I know of. - mark111 18:42:35 09/11/14 (0)
- No objective reality.... - slapshot 17:39:54 09/11/14 (16)
- RE: No objective reality.... - genungo 21:19:57 09/11/14 (15)
- Shadows on the walls of the cave. nt - Tony Lauck 18:50:11 09/14/14 (0)
- RE: No objective reality.... - slapshot 06:52:26 09/12/14 (13)
- As has been said before, let me kick you in the rear end. - tinear 08:00:57 09/12/14 (9)
- RE: As has been said before, let me kick you in the rear end. - slapshot 09:34:34 09/12/14 (8)
- You're a masochist if you continue down the "objective-subjective" ancient philosophical trail. - tinear 10:09:41 09/12/14 (6)
- the ancient philosophical trail - slapshot 10:13:56 09/12/14 (5)
- The problem with generalities is they can lead anywhere. What specifically are you talking about? A concrete - tinear 12:28:00 09/12/14 (4)
- RE: The problem with generalities is they can lead anywhere. What specifically are you talking about? A concrete - slapshot 14:44:50 09/12/14 (3)
- elegantly expressed and maximally true :-) - wazoo 06:02:31 09/13/14 (2)
- RE: elegantly expressed and maximally true :-) - slapshot 07:07:50 09/13/14 (1)
- RE: elegantly expressed and maximally true :-) - Old nuff 2 no better 07:21:55 09/14/14 (0)
- RE: kick in the rear end. - genungo 09:49:45 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: No objective reality.... - genungo 07:17:54 09/12/14 (2)
- RE: No objective reality.... - slapshot 09:33:37 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: "a shared, consensual, objective reality" - genungo 09:46:49 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - Old SteveA 16:38:02 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: Have you ever - genungo 16:56:24 09/11/14 (0)
- Temporary insanity. - Duster 16:31:29 09/11/14 (3)
- Yup! - bjh 17:06:15 09/11/14 (2)
- The reverse. Two products which were 'supposed' to be better, and were clearly not to my ears. - Nuit 15:33:46 09/11/14 (1)
- Holy confession, Batman! - genungo 16:16:42 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - middleground 12:41:46 09/11/14 (11)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - unclestu 14:29:13 09/11/14 (7)
- RE: Confession time - genungo 14:57:07 09/11/14 (2)
- When you publish - unclestu 16:59:21 09/11/14 (1)
- Will do. (nt - genungo 17:00:19 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - Old nuff 2 no better 14:55:58 09/11/14 (3)
- You nailed it - 3db 05:44:58 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - middleground 16:25:55 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - ahendler 15:45:34 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Flawed? - genungo 13:17:43 09/11/14 (2)
- I assume... - wazoo 09:02:12 09/12/14 (1)
- RE: Ears or Brain - genungo 09:18:46 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - AudioSoul 12:37:18 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: your own ears? - genungo 16:08:03 09/11/14 (0)
- Yes, but this way ... - woober goober 10:58:40 09/11/14 (1)
- Whew! (nt - genungo 16:06:53 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? - cdb 10:19:17 09/11/14 (4)
- Manual override? - Goober58 10:25:12 09/11/14 (3)
- RE: Manual override? - Tre' 10:41:59 09/11/14 (1)
- I think you are correct.... - Goober58 13:24:04 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: Manual override? - Tre' 10:34:16 09/11/14 (0)
- Yes, we are easily fooled. Just watch a few episodes of "Brain Games" and you'll understand. - Tre' 10:14:10 09/11/14 (2)
- RE: Yes, we are easily fooled. Just watch a few episodes of "Brain Games" and you'll understand. - unclestu 14:28:29 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: Yes, we are easily fooled. Just watch a few episodes of "Brain Games" and you'll understand. - Tre' 15:53:37 09/11/14 (0)
- GUILTY! - Dave Pogue 10:07:43 09/11/14 (4)
- Which only goes to reinforce my belief … - three_sox 05:40:12 09/13/14 (0)
- So what are those old speakers? And......... - Rick W 12:11:46 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: So what are those old speakers? And......... - Dave Pogue 06:21:54 09/12/14 (0)
- RE: GUILTY! - Mick Wolfe 11:36:52 09/11/14 (0)
- Never ... - three_sox 09:47:08 09/11/14 (3)
- Not never !? - genungo 16:05:08 09/11/14 (1)
- Never, that I know of, maybe you know more about me than I do ? - three_sox 20:21:04 09/11/14 (0)
- "The variables from hour to hour and from day to day are endless" - Chris from Lafayette 13:26:07 09/11/14 (0)
- Yes and a question - Goober58 08:42:08 09/11/14 (7)
- RE: "How is this listener being fooled and what can he do to prove it?" - genungo 08:58:45 09/11/14 (6)
- No you don't need anymore information. - Goober58 09:49:41 09/11/14 (5)
- Red Alert, Red Alert... - genungo 09:57:16 09/11/14 (4)
- Bingo - Goober58 10:10:59 09/11/14 (1)
- Regarding "being fooled"... - genungo 10:34:44 09/11/14 (0)
- RE: Red Alert, Red Alert... - rick_m 10:03:59 09/11/14 (1)
- RE: Red Alert, Red Alert... - genungo 15:53:03 09/11/14 (0)
Follow Ups
- You nailed it - 3db 05:44:58 09/12/14 (0)