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In Reply to: RE: Auto tune... posted by Todd Krieger on September 9, 2014 at 18:24:19:
I'm having difficulty hearing it on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOcjeNeaHQgCan you give me a second count and perhaps a word where it is quite clear there is auto tuning.
The word "Artist" and "Rather" the pitch shifts but it sounds like her voice doing it not an automated sound like in all of the songs in the link below.
At 1:06-1:08 where she sings "Oh but I've Got" is a bit all over the place but it doesn't sound robotic. At 1:55 she goes off pitch which is what autotune should fix but doesn't seem to get fixed to me. At 2:10 it sounds like autotune on the word "plan" but she has a warbly thin waif-like vocal so is it auto-tune making the shift or her warbly voice shifting. But I am not hearing the dead robotic sound on the Writer that I hear in any of the songs below.
For instance this is Ellie Goulding with autotune and with the first 10 seconds it is so patently obvious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8a---YBEc0
But Lights is world's apart from the Writer. I detect the obvious ones with ease (all of the ones in the below link) but apparently I am missing more subtle usages of it. I need more practice apparently.
Although to be honest I have not been necessarily "looking for it" because it's pop and I kind of lower my standards for pop music. Further, over the last decade it has been intentionally used for affect by groups like Daft Punk and even by good singers like Sarah McLachlan where it is used for a very obvious effect. So this may be "training" us over time to accept it as the "norm."
Geez - Take this song by Owl City - the entire thing sounds completely electronic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psuRGfAaju4 although strangely because it is so obvious and so intentional that it doesn't really bug me.
On this website they discuss auto tune and give 10 examples - all of which are very very obvious to me. And it's a pretty good link in general to help people detect it because they are telling you which word to listen for.
The problem is that they are very obvious - you can hear the pitch shift and it sounds robotic and the writer of the article is also correct about which songs are least obvious out of the 10.
What I would like to see is a link with the far more subtle usages to better be able to fine tune the detection. From what I am gathering from you is that it's being used a lot more and in a more subtle manner than I thought.
The robotic nature of Cher's "Believe" is on the obvious end of the spectrum. It's noticeable on Avril's Complicated but far less egregious.
Do you have some examples of where it is done really well and is very subtle? I'd like to work on this to bring my skill level up on it. Also if you have a suggestion of albums that can be purchased on CD with and without auto tune it would help so that I can actually play it over my stereo rather than my rubbish TV speakers that would be a huge help.
I don't care so much that it's used on pop or even rock because as I said the standards are generally already lowered so what's a little more lower.
However it bothers me if it is being used in jazz/folk/adult because you buy these guys/girls mainly for their voice - you buy pop for an overall "sound presentation" which can sound space-age and it doesn't concern me. However I don't want them screwing with Frank Sinatra and I don't want my ear to be DEGRADED by getting used to the pop auto tune to such a degree that I miss it on music that actually counts!
Thanks Todd for your patience. I love Audio Asylum and getting something out of it - even if you have to tell me five times.
Edits: 09/10/14
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