In Reply to: Is it all simple as that ? posted by beppe61 on June 26, 2014 at 23:12:48:
I agree with the darTZeel approach: "Timing errors" in amplifier circuits, which as far as I know are not the subject of a standard measurement method, are bad as far as musicality goes.
While at the same time, the methods commonly employed (such as global negative feedback) to reduce distortion measurements can end up sounding bad.
And it must be said that there is (as I understand things) some overlap between the approaches of darTZeel and Ayre.
I am not prepared to say that if a distortion can't be heard it makes no difference, but, it would seem to me that if the distortion specification of an amplifier circuit is one or two orders of magnitude lower than audibility, it really should not matter. This of course is in the context of listening to loudspeakers in a room, where the native distortions of the loudspeaker and the variations caused by room acoustics in one sense--the statistical sense--swamp amplifier distortions, but, I would never claim that they could never be heard.
I was driving once, minding my own business, on a nice early-spring day, and I suddenly thought, eww, who has a cigar? I looked over, and the driver of the Porsche 911 that was slowly passing me on the left, going just a couple of mph faster than I was driving, was smoking a cigar, but his windows were closed, as were mine... .
How many parts per million, yet I could detect them???
I will leave the last word to Goethe:
"The human being himself, to the extent that he makes sound use of his senses, is the most exact physical apparatus that can exist." (Goethe, Scientific Studies)
JM
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- Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - John Marks 12:19:17 06/27/14 (19)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - beppe61 23:44:41 06/27/14 (0)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - BigguyinATL 14:22:29 06/27/14 (2)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - Tony Lauck 17:45:42 06/27/14 (1)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - morricab 01:41:16 06/29/14 (0)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - rick_m 12:37:32 06/27/14 (14)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - RGA 03:36:18 06/28/14 (1)
- RE: Then, what if the measures you take in attempting to reduce distortion just "sound bad" - rick_m 14:07:28 06/28/14 (0)
- AFAIK, Hervé Delétraz believes solid state output stages should not use multiple driver pairs - John Marks 12:56:23 06/27/14 (11)
- Why use a pair of outputs at all? - E-Stat 17:04:39 06/29/14 (1)
- I find it astounding there isn't at least consensus that speakers are the most - tinear 19:34:26 06/30/14 (0)
- RE: AFAIK, Hervé Delétraz believes solid state output stages should not use multiple driver pairs - Disbeliever 00:11:56 06/28/14 (1)
- My guess is that M. Delétraz would say that circuit simplicity is a necessary but not sufficient condition. - John Marks 09:08:38 06/28/14 (0)
- RE: AFAIK, Hervé Delétraz believes solid state output stages should not use multiple driver pairs - rick_m 20:06:20 06/27/14 (3)
- I think that Hervé is sincere--and he is a graduate engineer - John Marks 09:11:43 06/28/14 (2)
- some information..... - mikel 15:33:59 06/28/14 (1)
- Thanks. (nt) - John Marks 11:22:20 06/29/14 (0)
- As does my mate, the deisgner of the amplifiers I use ... - andyr 14:26:38 06/27/14 (2)
- An interesting option to get higher power with just one output pair - beppe61 01:26:16 06/29/14 (0)
- RE: As does my mate, the deisgner of the amplifiers I use ... - morricab 14:41:13 06/27/14 (0)