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In Reply to: RE: Funny thing posted by geoffkait on May 5, 2012 at 14:36:05:
I think both short-term and long-term listening have a place, because there are some phenomena that are best identified in short-term comparisons, but others don't manifest themselves until you've become very familiar with a system.
I've also come to believe in ultra-short-term listening, since I think that the ear can accommodate to and tune out certain kinds of distortion and certain acoustical artifacts. There's some scientific evidence that this is a real problem in audio and I suspect it accounts for some reports of burn in or even component selection. How many times have you read "The Grundage 9000 sounded shrill and harsh at first, but after pairing it with six preamps, on the third day, it finally clicked?" I have a feeling that it's not always preamp that's clicking, but the reviewer's auditory pathways.
This I think is another problem with ABX tests, which have to be conducted with multiple trials to be statistically significant.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - middleground 04:32:06 05/03/12 (135)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - mauimusicman 15:38:46 05/06/12 (1)
- Now what I find interesting about that, and why I am dubious... - Steve Parry 13:26:48 05/09/12 (0)
- Funny thing - josh358 07:41:02 05/05/12 (17)
- RE: Funny thing - middleground 09:25:15 05/05/12 (13)
- RE: Funny thing - josh358 09:53:21 05/05/12 (12)
- RE: Funny thing - middleground 12:20:35 05/05/12 (1)
- RE: Funny thing - josh358 14:23:29 05/05/12 (0)
- Excellent post (nt) - kerr 11:27:56 05/05/12 (1)
- RE: Excellent post (nt) - josh358 14:33:04 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: Funny thing - geoffkait 10:39:21 05/05/12 (7)
- RE: Funny thing - josh358 14:05:14 05/05/12 (6)
- RE: Funny thing - middleground 14:03:35 05/06/12 (1)
- RE: Funny thing - josh358 14:26:03 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: Funny thing - geoffkait 14:36:05 05/05/12 (3)
- RE: Funny thing - josh358 14:32:42 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: Funny thing - middleground 14:05:08 05/06/12 (1)
- RE: Funny thing - geoffkait 14:24:17 05/06/12 (0)
- Funny thing, not one salient point. - soulfood 08:46:43 05/05/12 (2)
- RE: Funny thing, not one salient point. - middleground 09:26:31 05/05/12 (1)
- RE: Funny thing, not one salient point. - soulfood 12:45:01 05/05/12 (0)
- Implies there is one objective meaning for a subjective experience, which is nutty!...nt - Steve Parry 13:31:49 05/04/12 (2)
- Subjective "meaning" is not a difficult concept to grasp - genungo 04:10:54 05/05/12 (1)
- Oh I agree with you...in which case you would just say... - Steve Parry 05:31:44 05/05/12 (0)
- Would anyone buy equipment based on measurements alone? - petertg 12:22:36 05/04/12 (2)
- RE: Would anyone buy equipment based on measurements alone? - middleground 12:40:44 05/04/12 (1)
- yeah, he forgot to add price too -t - Sordidman 13:42:45 05/04/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - nairb 03:13:55 05/04/12 (0)
- "Subjectivist Audiophiles ... have taken leave of their senses." - genungo 03:08:40 05/04/12 (0)
- There is a level of refinement that communicates more emotion - madisonears 17:30:32 05/03/12 (0)
- Pay no attention to the glossy rags..... - Justlisten2 16:05:27 05/03/12 (0)
- If you're not with us, you're - Presto 13:23:39 05/03/12 (21)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - josh358 07:15:21 05/05/12 (0)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - middleground 06:31:00 05/04/12 (4)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - bjh 06:49:10 05/04/12 (3)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - middleground 07:19:25 05/04/12 (2)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - bjh 07:23:44 05/04/12 (1)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - Ozzy 07:35:17 05/04/12 (0)
- great post; where can I get one of those 'bowls on spikes?!' nt - Green Lantern 20:49:26 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: great post; where can I get one of those 'bowls on spikes?!' nt - Presto 14:09:34 05/04/12 (0)
- Fantastic! NT - RGA 18:05:01 05/03/12 (0)
- "Be nuts on the cheap" ... - reelsmith. 16:49:24 05/03/12 (0)
- RE: At band camp? That Slut!!! - amioutaline? 16:08:20 05/03/12 (2)
- Hey. Watch your mouth... - tweakk 16:44:57 05/03/12 (1)
- Oops! - BillyBenBilly 17:32:54 05/04/12 (0)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - Jack G 16:00:20 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: If you're not with us, you're - middleground 06:33:12 05/04/12 (0)
- My vote for post of the year! nt - Chris Adams 15:05:19 05/03/12 (2)
- RE: My vote for post of the year! nt - tedk. 15:41:50 05/03/12 (1)
- AGREED! NT - ahendler 15:49:05 05/03/12 (0)
- Outta here you you ... sane-case! Nt - bjh 14:46:25 05/03/12 (2)
- I'm either completely sane... - Presto 14:59:49 05/03/12 (1)
- "Audio Gemini" I see the philosophy goes beyond audiophia ... Good on ya! :) ntt - bjh 15:18:48 05/03/12 (0)
- Music means something? nt - cjfrbw 12:57:12 05/03/12 (3)
- Yes, it can have actual "meaning"... - genungo 09:44:18 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: Music means something? nt - ahendler 15:51:44 05/03/12 (0)
- See? You need that piece of gear from the review! - Enophile 13:04:22 05/03/12 (0)
- Why does ANYONE care what sort of nonsense others believe or think? Like the critic is the "Thought Police".. - Elizabeth 11:32:59 05/03/12 (11)
- RE: Why does ANYONE care what sort of nonsense others believe or think? Like the critic is the "Thought Police".. - middleground 06:37:08 05/04/12 (7)
- RE: Why does ANYONE care what sort of nonsense others believe or think? Like the critic is the "Thought Police".. - kerr 11:24:12 05/05/12 (0)
- That is no one's problem except the parent of that kid They should'a used a contraceptive. - Elizabeth 07:26:37 05/04/12 (5)
- RE: That is no one's problem except the parent of that kid They should'a used a contraceptive. - middleground 11:46:10 05/04/12 (2)
- I just do not like BS 'you should feel bad/sorry because... 'crap. - Elizabeth 12:32:00 05/04/12 (1)
- RE: I just do not like BS 'you should feel bad/sorry because... 'crap. - middleground 12:42:22 05/04/12 (0)
- RE: That is no one's problem except the parent of that kid They should'a used a contraceptive. - must 11:05:33 05/04/12 (1)
- LOL, yeah - josh358 07:26:28 05/05/12 (0)
- RE: Why does ANYONE care what sort of nonsense others believe or think? Like the critic is the "Thought Police".. - ahendler 15:53:09 05/03/12 (2)
- RE: somewhat disagree . . . - Hi-Fi Nut 02:44:49 05/06/12 (0)
- You are correct. nt - Elizabeth 07:27:16 05/04/12 (0)
- "Objective" (never understood the meaning in this context, BTW) pseudo-scientific anti-audiophiles... - carcass93 11:16:25 05/03/12 (13)
- Not anti-audiophiles... - Enophile 11:33:03 05/03/12 (12)
- RE: Not anti-audiophiles... - ahendler 15:54:35 05/03/12 (0)
- Mr. Enophile - Sordidman 15:51:44 05/03/12 (9)
- RE: Mr. Enophile - middleground 06:39:01 05/04/12 (1)
- No, it's more a matter of, if you don't try, you can't succeed -t - Sordidman 08:41:50 05/04/12 (0)
- I like the people who can hear "order of magnitude" differences...'night and day' differences... - Enophile 16:54:53 05/03/12 (5)
- If for nothing else, consistency - Sordidman 09:24:09 05/04/12 (0)
- RE: I like the people who can hear "order of magnitude" differences...'night and day' differences... - middleground 06:40:54 05/04/12 (0)
- RE: I like the people who can hear "order of magnitude" differences...'night and day' differences... - kerr 06:19:41 05/04/12 (2)
- RE: I like the people who can hear "order of magnitude" differences...'night and day' differences... - middleground 06:41:59 05/04/12 (1)
- RE: I like the people who can hear "order of magnitude" differences...'night and day' differences... - kerr 07:25:30 05/05/12 (0)
- You've never heard of the mathematics of Chaos Theory?(nt) - mgbpuff 16:13:07 05/03/12 (0)
- I'm an objectivist because... - Jim Austin 14:52:22 05/03/12 (0)
- That's nothing new... - mkuller 10:56:19 05/03/12 (4)
- RE: That's nothing new... - middleground 06:43:11 05/04/12 (1)
- You could ask... - mkuller 08:26:25 05/04/12 (0)
- I finally get it.. - JayG 20:58:17 05/03/12 (1)
- You got it... - mkuller 21:10:08 05/03/12 (0)
- Cool. Then he can get back to us on this ... - reelsmith. 10:22:24 05/03/12 (0)
- All this time.... - JayG 10:14:25 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: All this time.... - lord addleford 11:05:01 05/03/12 (0)
- If a guy 'needs' a certain piece of gear to get the 'meaning' of a piece of music. It's the person, not gear. - Enophile 09:17:40 05/03/12 (1)
- Is that really you in the black rubber suit? - genungo 05:23:40 05/05/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - Bromo33333 09:15:47 05/03/12 (4)
- Audiophile debates ... - mkuller 11:02:35 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: Audiophile debates ... - Bromo33333 05:26:27 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - JayG 09:53:04 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - Bromo33333 05:21:29 05/06/12 (0)
- Subjectivist Audiophiles ...have, individually and collectively, taken leave of their senses. - Ralph 09:10:17 05/03/12 (10)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ...have, individually and collectively, taken leave of their senses. - middleground 07:07:32 05/04/12 (9)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ...have, individually and collectively, taken leave of their senses. - Bromo33333 12:08:27 05/06/12 (0)
- Hmm. Perhaps take a look at this. - Ralph 12:54:10 05/04/12 (4)
- RE: Hmm. Perhaps take a look at this. - middleground 13:59:53 05/04/12 (3)
- There are certain human hearing rules - Ralph 14:39:28 05/04/12 (2)
- RE: There are certain human hearing rules - Bromo33333 12:14:26 05/06/12 (1)
- RE: There are certain human hearing rules - Ralph 12:40:27 05/07/12 (0)
- I am anti-Capitalist too....... - Sordidman 10:51:20 05/04/12 (2)
- RE: I am anti-Capitalist too....... - middleground 11:49:00 05/04/12 (1)
- whatever is sent by the manufacturer and then, - Sordidman 13:46:44 05/04/12 (0)
- Interesting, I've never heard this argument before......what is the "meaning" : ) n/t - Awe-d-o-file 08:57:39 05/03/12 (2)
- If you had a higher priced monitor, you'd know. - Enophile 09:24:45 05/03/12 (1)
- ah yes.......... - Awe-d-o-file 11:09:54 05/03/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivist Audiophiles ... - bjh 08:41:37 05/03/12 (5)
- bjh - I found your post the most interesting - jult52 07:28:53 05/04/12 (4)
- RE: bjh - I found your post the most interesting - Bromo33333 12:18:56 05/06/12 (0)
- RE: bjh - I found your post the most interesting - bjh 09:26:56 05/04/12 (2)
- As both a Clapton and Beethoven fan, - jult52 09:53:38 05/04/12 (1)
- RE: As both a Clapton and Beethoven fan, - bjh 10:37:41 05/04/12 (0)
- all audiophiles are subjectivist, you can't have it any other - Sordidman 08:39:16 05/03/12 (2)
- Would add three little words at the end.... - JayG 10:05:03 05/03/12 (1)
- Ha! awesome!! -t - Sordidman 10:08:39 05/03/12 (0)
- i must have a lousy system, because - musiclistener 08:38:08 05/03/12 (2)
- RE: i must have a lousy system, because - Coner 09:07:16 05/03/12 (1)
- Alligator Lizards - Kirk57 04:30:59 05/04/12 (0)
- So you are saying..... - Ozzy 08:11:30 05/03/12 (1)
- RE: So you are saying..... - middleground 07:13:14 05/04/12 (0)
- Here's a writeup I did years ago on a (non-existent) A/B switch - rlindsa 07:51:27 05/03/12 (5)
- This Can Also Be Done with "Technical Writing"........ - Todd Krieger 13:44:10 05/03/12 (0)
- This is brilliant.... - JayG 10:23:03 05/03/12 (0)
- Great! - dancingseamonkey 08:52:26 05/03/12 (0)
- I bet you know where to buy Lirpa Loof products! (nt) - mgbpuff 08:14:38 05/03/12 (0)
- [Drool]... liquesence... mesonic charge... [Drool]... Where can I buy one?... - musetap 08:10:38 05/03/12 (0)
- Excessive hyperbole - vinyl phanatic 06:38:00 05/03/12 (3)
- RE: Excessive hyperbole - middleground 07:16:45 05/04/12 (0)
- Bad writing... - mls-stl 07:39:50 05/03/12 (1)
- ...my line conditioner hummed with the anticipation of an imminent lightning strike....nt - musiclistener 08:39:49 05/03/12 (0)
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