In Reply to: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty posted by Dr. S on May 16, 2007 at 20:49:50:
"It doesn't matter all that much what happens in the distribution end, IF the original recording preserves the event."I'd argue not so as that's like saying it doesn't matter if we can't see every pixel or the full colour range in a photograph copied onto the best paper available, so long as the guy who took the picture assures us that the photo is in fact perfect.
"The SACD of Dave Brubeck's TIME OUT, started life as a remarkable analog tape, in the days of thermionic electronics."The best recordings I've heard are sourced from analogue tapes, one of the finest being 'Blues in Orbit' which I actually have on SACD, but I'm sure there are plenty of open reel tapes and vinyl pressings floating around which are quite capable of ensuring this recording doesn't sink into obscurity without DSD having to come riding to the rescue.
"I sleep well, knowing that it has been preserved in the best recording medium we have currently".In your opinion.
"Is it possible to do better on the recording end than analog? Absolutely. This is where DSD excells. And this is my point. I am concerned that if we lose SACD as a distribution medium, we may also lose DSD as a recording and archiving medium."
Again, that is your opinion. Many would argue that the ADC and DAC processes in the recording and playback of DSD mean it can never better analogue even given the disadvantages of friction and the mechanical hurdles.
Digital is and always will provide recordings which have been basically cut up, processed and reassembled, no matter how effective and seamless the processing might be.That being said, I'm very happy with CD and believe that high-rez PCM is superior to DSD. :0)
"I am indifferent to people's choices in distribution media. If you want to listen to a distributed form in some sort of F'd up, heavily downsampled whatever ... be my guest. Who cares? As you proudly pronounce, you are the consumer. It is your choice."I thought you said you weren't going to be snotty?
Seems like you F'd up!"But if the original recording is forever trapped in a technically inferior medium".
Again, your opinion so it's a big IF, but I'm surprised you are able to enjoy 'Time Out' at all when it was captured on inferior analogue tapes.
"And on a personal note, why is it that the few voices crying for the best we have at the recording end are on our "high horses?"Because you're condescending and pompous, and because you believe DSD is 'the best' then you must be right and anyone who disagrees is less enlightened or discerning than yourself.
You carry on crying out for 'the best' in the unshakable certainty that you're defending the very soul of musical recording/reproduction, while the masses listen to their inferior analogue recordings on their inferior turntables and inferior open reel tape decks."If I want Velveeta, I should have it ... but, it would be nihilistic to deny another, with perhaps a more refined palate, the Stilton he is nibbling with the just perfectly ripe pear and walnuts."
Congratulations! You've actually succeeded in fitting stilts to your high horse!
"This is SUPPOSED to be about audio as art ... we should want the best, not celebrate a woeful compromise."
I DO want the best - the best replay in my home, but in my ignorance I don't believe DSD is the best and what is worse, I like Velveeta. :0(
Best Regards,
Chris redmond.
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- Re: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:02:25 05/17/07 (19)
- Chris "High-rez PCM is superior to DSD"? Not in my system! - Teresa 23:55:26 05/19/07 (3)
- RE: Chris "High-rez PCM is superior to DSD"? Not in my system! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:33:55 05/20/07 (2)
- Here you go Chris in your own words in this very thread: - Teresa 17:23:35 05/20/07 (1)
- RE: Here you go Chris in your own words in this very thread: - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:10:37 05/21/07 (0)
- Re: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty - Dr. S 15:37:55 05/18/07 (10)
- Re: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty - Christopher Redmond 00:32:14 05/19/07 (9)
- F.Y.I: There is NO audible noise with PURE DSD even though headphones. 192kHz PCM has more audible noise for example. - Teresa 00:00:44 05/20/07 (5)
- RE: F.Y.I: There is NO audible noise with PURE DSD even though headphones. 192kHz PCM has more audible noise for exampl - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:40:47 05/20/07 (4)
- All I am saying is just listen for yourself on your Stax Lambda - Teresa 16:56:58 05/20/07 (3)
- RE: All I am saying is just listen for yourself on your Stax Lambda - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:57:28 05/21/07 (2)
- RE: All I am saying is just listen for yourself on your Stax Lambda - Teresa 22:31:13 05/21/07 (1)
- RE: All I am saying is just listen for yourself on your Stax Lambda - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:40:58 05/22/07 (0)
- Re: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty - Dr. S 21:34:17 05/19/07 (2)
- Re: Ok, so I will try this without being snotty - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 06:39:51 05/20/07 (1)
- Re: Corporate Greed - Dr. S 13:50:43 05/20/07 (0)
- Re: What you believe ... - Dr. S 06:57:43 05/18/07 (3)
- Re: What you believe ... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:00:30 05/18/07 (2)
- Re: What you believe ... - Dr. S 14:53:01 05/20/07 (1)
- Yes - horse flogged but it's been fun :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 15:40:59 05/20/07 (0)