In Reply to: Re: Support your comments with data -nt posted by theaudiohobby on July 14, 2006 at 07:23:58:
First off all silicon semiconductor junction capacitances do indeed have the characteristics of a K=12 dielectric. There's no getting around that. I'm not talking about silicon dioxide which is an insulator used at the gates of MOSFETs, but of all intrinsic silicon junctions.Links:
Picking Capacitors Parts 1&2:
http://home.comcast.net/~wjungieee/wsb/Picking_Capacitors_1.pdf
http://home.comcast.net/~wjungieee/wsb/Picking_Capacitors_2.pdf
These will familiarize you (if you read them attentively) with the electrical and some of the sonic consequences of dielectrics having a range of K values. These articles are about component capacitors, but the parameters apply to all capacitances sharing these types of dielectrics.
See text on charge storage effect and nonlinear base capacitance in audio power amplifiers in the following links:
http://www.audioprecision.com/publications/technical_papers/Comparison_of_Non-linear_Distortion_Measurement_Methods.pdf
http://www.tubetechnology.co.uk/faq_tube_ren.pdf
A link with a table listing dielectric properties of different materials including silicon as used in semiconductors:
http://www.inrf.uci.edu/research/posters/Microwave_Measurements_on_Dielectric_Constants_Prof_Chen_Lee_UCI_949-824-7462_Jeong_Park.pdf
There's plenty more where this came from to substantiate the facts I have been illustrating about the audible superiority of tubes over transistors. I recommend you google or read up on technical materials related to semiconductors (which being an electronics design engineer I am already well familiar with). I believe any unsubstantiated opinions remaining are yours.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Wellfed 20:44:12 07/12/06 (314)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Corbett 13:46:46 07/22/06 (0)
- You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - minimumphase 06:49:49 07/15/06 (15)
- Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - Dave Pogue 11:55:27 07/15/06 (14)
- Re: You wanna know the main thing Aczel got totally wrong? - minimumphase 12:34:47 07/15/06 (13)
- "But properly done surround is a perfectly coherent medium." Sure. As long as your head is in a vise. - geeber 19:16:25 07/15/06 (9)
- Nah - Ted Smith 19:53:22 07/15/06 (8)
- Re: Nah - geeber 21:23:20 07/15/06 (7)
- Re: Nah - Ted Smith 07:53:36 07/16/06 (5)
- Arbitrary phase between speakers fine for general enjoyment, but... - geeber 15:35:45 07/16/06 (3)
- Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 16:36:52 07/16/06 (2)
- Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - geeber 14:32:38 07/17/06 (1)
- Re: Who listens critically all of the time? - Ted Smith 15:28:39 07/17/06 (0)
- Correct - minimumphase 08:22:16 07/16/06 (0)
- Re: Nah - minimumphase 05:53:47 07/16/06 (0)
- I'm glad that you know these recordings so intimately - Dave Pogue 12:56:39 07/15/06 (2)
- One last try - minimumphase 13:30:45 07/15/06 (1)
- Re: One last try - Dave Pogue 13:36:01 07/15/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... sorry to say we have sure sold a lot of his magazines. - FastEddy 15:48:43 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 05:47:14 07/14/06 (9)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Ralph 12:17:30 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 06:58:42 07/15/06 (1)
- Re: Not everyone has short interconnects - Ralph 09:13:05 07/17/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Stale 07:58:40 07/14/06 (5)
- Not a Black and White world - Caymus 13:18:15 07/14/06 (1)
- A lot like the American political system, isn't it?... - Wellfed 14:45:40 07/14/06 (0)
- If anything this thread has demonstrated that credibility and consistency have little to do with (audio) *objectivism*. - bjh 09:40:34 07/14/06 (1)
- There goes the broken record...(nt) - minimumphase 11:27:11 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - middleground 08:04:16 07/14/06 (0)
- Lie #11, the vinyl phonograph record is a high fidelity medium - Soundmind 04:33:10 07/14/06 (118)
- But it's better than whatever is second best. nt - hcman 21:27:09 07/15/06 (0)
- All that not withstanding, isn't it bloody intriguiging that... - Steve Cortez 17:55:15 07/14/06 (5)
- The more demanding the program material, the more readily LPs show their failure - Soundmind 18:03:35 07/14/06 (4)
- Do you have any pointers to objective measurements of this "failure"? [nt] - Steve Cortez 20:09:12 07/14/06 (3)
- Re: Do you have any pointers to objective measurements of this "failure"? [nt] - Soundmind 03:23:37 07/15/06 (2)
- In other words, just anecdotal evidence of such failure at this point. Oh well [nt] - Steve Cortez 05:01:02 07/15/06 (1)
- He never throws anything away . . . except the proof of what he espouses. - markrohr 11:40:31 07/15/06 (0)
- Audio Irony #xx: There are music lovers who do not perceive the merits of LP playback (nt) - Bersani 16:39:12 07/14/06 (1)
- I see and hear the merits of LPs...I also see and hear the drawbacks. There are a lot of drawbacks. nt - Soundmind 18:05:01 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Lie #11: vinyl phonograph record = high fidelity - FastEddy 16:00:24 07/14/06 (0)
- Yawn. - powermatic 08:21:49 07/14/06 (2)
- Sure he does! and it included a good representation of - bjh 09:47:33 07/14/06 (1)
- Do you actually know anything about the equipment you bash? - Pat D 20:17:48 07/15/06 (0)
- Funny how it works so beautifully, even after all that. nt - markrohr 08:02:52 07/14/06 (14)
- I wouldn't characerize it as working "beautifully" - Soundmind 08:18:55 07/14/06 (13)
- Well, Glory be... - axolotl 17:13:37 07/14/06 (0)
- Sounds like your ears are in awfully good shape... - Wellfed 10:30:00 07/14/06 (4)
- Soundmind's victrola is in excellent conditon, thank you. - geeber 12:06:55 07/14/06 (2)
- Whoa there, I thought I was the real wisenheimer around this place... - Wellfed 12:19:04 07/14/06 (1)
- Get in line. ;-) nt - markrohr 12:55:21 07/14/06 (0)
- That's nothing! - markrohr 11:33:34 07/14/06 (0)
- I still wish you would let me send you . . . - markrohr 08:31:09 07/14/06 (6)
- You might try turning down the treble control or engaging the high cut filter...if you had them - Soundmind 09:22:56 07/14/06 (5)
- So incurious you are! And so willing to avoid the point when inconvenient. - markrohr 11:31:06 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: So incurious you are! And so willing to avoid the point when inconvenient. - Soundmind 18:15:04 07/14/06 (3)
- Gee, I can say the same for 35+ year-old LPs. - markrohr 11:42:49 07/15/06 (2)
- Re: Gee, I can say the same for 35+ year-old LPs. - Dave Pogue 11:58:36 07/15/06 (1)
- Funny! And true. - markrohr 14:00:39 07/15/06 (0)
- Lie #11, there is a high fidelity medium - kurt s 07:51:08 07/14/06 (0)
- Beautiful! - Mike K 06:23:22 07/14/06 (0)
- LPs can also be played by a laser. - Teresa 06:22:48 07/14/06 (74)
- Re: LPs can also be played by a laser. - minimumphase 11:28:53 07/14/06 (62)
- So why not try some high resolution Digital recordings? - Teresa 14:56:10 07/14/06 (57)
- Re: So why not try some high resolution Digital recordings? - minimumphase 16:56:41 07/14/06 (56)
- Not so Redbook CDs give themselves away every single time. - Teresa 22:30:16 07/14/06 (55)
- Suggestion - kerr 06:42:36 07/15/06 (38)
- I have bought CDs recently, and while they are better and some even sound 'ok'.... - Tom Dawson 19:03:55 07/15/06 (35)
- That's cool. - kerr 20:12:14 07/15/06 (34)
- That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - Teresa 23:52:17 07/15/06 (33)
- Re: That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - kerr 06:44:47 07/16/06 (32)
- Re: That means you have not spoken to Tony Falkner, Doug Sax, Prof. Johnson, Steve Hoffman or Michael Hobson! - Teresa 07:47:29 07/16/06 (31)
- Doug Sax was in TAS #149 - kerr 15:35:47 07/16/06 (0)
- Tony Faulkner - minimumphase 09:42:28 07/16/06 (2)
- Re: Tony Faulkner - kerr 09:14:43 07/17/06 (1)
- fair enough - minimumphase 12:10:58 07/17/06 (0)
- Michael Hobson - minimumphase 09:10:53 07/16/06 (0)
- Doug Sax - minimumphase 09:06:18 07/16/06 (0)
- Steve Hoffman - minimumphase 08:42:53 07/16/06 (24)
- Here's my conundrum - kerr 15:45:14 07/16/06 (23)
- Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 16:56:33 07/16/06 (22)
- Re: Here's my conundrum - kerr 06:10:23 07/17/06 (16)
- Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 08:37:28 07/17/06 (15)
- "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 13:20:08 07/17/06 (9)
- Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 13:24:34 07/17/06 (8)
- Just buy a Benchmark and have done with it - Atexanathome 12:14:55 07/22/06 (2)
- Thanks, but I have a fine DAC :) - Ted Smith 12:36:04 07/22/06 (0)
- Also see AES Preprint 3712 (3740 is close, but the TAC article derives from 3712)NT - Atexanathome 12:21:59 07/22/06 (0)
- Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 16:03:28 07/17/06 (4)
- Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 16:24:01 07/17/06 (3)
- Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - minimumphase 07:39:22 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: "the standard stamping equipment adds errors and jitter" - Ted Smith 08:44:48 07/18/06 (1)
- Not exactly - minimumphase 15:45:21 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: Here's my conundrum - kerr 09:07:04 07/17/06 (4)
- Re: Here's my conundrum - Ted Smith 10:07:35 07/17/06 (3)
- On the subject of hi-rez - minimumphase 13:27:24 07/17/06 (2)
- Re: On the subject of hi-rez - Ted Smith 13:45:30 07/17/06 (1)
- Re: On the subject of hi-rez - minimumphase 16:14:48 07/17/06 (0)
- Isn't there a contradiction in there somewhere? - minimumphase 19:10:56 07/16/06 (4)
- Definition of terms... - Ted Smith 19:22:46 07/16/06 (3)
- Re: Definition of terms... - minimumphase 16:20:56 07/17/06 (2)
- Re: Definition of terms... - Ted Smith 16:36:31 07/17/06 (1)
- Re: Definition of terms... - minimumphase 07:48:04 07/18/06 (0)
- Perhaps a slightly different perspective. - Ted Smith 08:36:37 07/15/06 (0)
- Of course the problem was in the recordings, dead right (nt) - minimumphase 07:09:34 07/15/06 (0)
- Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 06:26:38 07/15/06 (15)
- How dare you make light of the actual PAIN I have suffered listening to Redbook CDs! - Teresa 17:38:47 07/15/06 (4)
- Drama queen (nt) - Guy, 19:19:16 07/15/06 (1)
- Are you making FUN of the pain I have suffered because of DREADFUL REDBOOK CDs? How very rude of you!!!!! (nt) - Teresa 19:34:40 07/15/06 (0)
- This is like Dr. Smith from "Lost In Space" (nt) - andy_c 19:11:20 07/15/06 (0)
- minimumphase belongs to the cadre of meter beater true believers, a member of the digital Al Qaeda cult. nt - geeber 18:38:28 07/15/06 (0)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 08:32:20 07/15/06 (9)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 09:10:21 07/15/06 (8)
- "Differences between well recorded CD and hi-rez (SACD or PCM) are minute, if any." Incorrect in the extreme! - Teresa 19:58:27 07/15/06 (0)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 10:35:23 07/15/06 (6)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 12:47:56 07/15/06 (5)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 13:15:58 07/15/06 (4)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - minimumphase 13:39:34 07/15/06 (3)
- Re: Your opinions are contrary to scientific evidence - Ted Smith 14:48:38 07/15/06 (2)
- Impressive! (nt) - minimumphase 15:10:35 07/15/06 (1)
- Thanks - We like it :) [nt] - Ted Smith 18:04:02 07/15/06 (0)
- You're under the false assumption - E-Stat 14:00:45 07/14/06 (0)
- Teresa's correct. Most people with normal hearing acuity can readily detect the deficiencies of Redbook. nt - thoriated 12:12:49 07/14/06 (2)
- Too bad she never hears the deficiencies of LP, tape and every other two-track medium used so far! - Richard BassNut Greene 14:53:04 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Teresa's correct. Most people with normal hearing acuity can readily detect the deficiencies of Redbook. nt - minimumphase 13:41:49 07/14/06 (0)
- As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - Soundmind 07:10:46 07/14/06 (10)
- Re: As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - morricab 09:32:01 07/14/06 (9)
- Re: As primitive as LPs are, they are a model of perfection compared to your loudspeakers - Soundmind 10:13:02 07/14/06 (8)
- Well, for the past thirty years... - E-Stat 14:04:51 07/14/06 (0)
- "Very very loud sounds, judging ... - bjh 12:57:57 07/14/06 (6)
- There are a lot of baby boomers who went through acid rock, heavy metal, and discos - Soundmind 18:11:05 07/14/06 (5)
- Please provide data that demonstrate that audiophiles - bjh 20:41:39 07/14/06 (4)
- I find it hilarious that a subjectivist would want data when someone elses claim does't fit his own notions - Soundmind 03:30:36 07/15/06 (3)
- So now your tripe relies on the notion "audiophiles" == "rock concert goers". Seems ... - bjh 05:50:41 07/15/06 (2)
- Living in a world largely dominated by music ignoramuses.... - Soundmind 07:11:31 07/15/06 (1)
- Moron! you were implying audiophile's speakers made them loose - bjh 09:21:29 07/15/06 (0)
- Re: Lie #11, the vinyl phonograph record is a high fidelity medium - middleground 05:51:04 07/14/06 (0)
- Some would say the fact it works so well is a miracle, other would insist it's merely ... - bjh 05:12:59 07/14/06 (11)
- The only miracle is that it works at all..............nt - Soundmind 05:22:18 07/14/06 (10)
- Like dogs walking on two legs, as someone observed - Feanor 19:39:00 07/14/06 (0)
- That it works *so darned well* is the miracle (poetic licence permitted). nt - bjh 05:30:15 07/14/06 (8)
- Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - Soundmind 06:43:15 07/14/06 (7)
- conceptually your posts are equivalent to a broken record... - tunenut 11:02:05 07/14/06 (1)
- It could be a defensive mechanism. - axolotl 16:48:24 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - morricab 09:28:40 07/14/06 (1)
- Re: Conceptually it is identical to Edison's wax cylinder. Only details of the execution are different - Soundmind 10:17:05 07/14/06 (0)
- LPs are NOT fun, they are a royal PITA. The only reason to mess with LPs is their superior sound quality! - Teresa 07:11:26 07/14/06 (0)
- Conceptually the CD is identical to the Babbage Machine. Only details of the execution are different. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:58:18 07/14/06 (1)
- Exactly my sentiments about every word you ever wrote that I have read nt - Soundmind 07:12:00 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 18:57:57 07/13/06 (19)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - minimumphase 11:40:32 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 15:31:39 07/14/06 (3)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - minimumphase 17:07:02 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - FastEddy 10:00:35 07/17/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" ... - kerr 06:30:40 07/15/06 (0)
- You nailed it FastEddy "Tin-eared" Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" are in themselves the biggest lies about audio. - Teresa 04:32:55 07/14/06 (13)
- Re: You nailed it FastEddy "Tin-eared" Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" are in themselves the biggest lies about audio. - minimumphase 13:43:25 07/14/06 (0)
- The "total joke" is any audiophile who says all components sound different ... - Richard BassNut Greene 09:29:55 07/14/06 (6)
- Please don't insult religion - minimumphase 21:54:46 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Please don't insult religion - MarkColby 11:35:54 07/16/06 (1)
- Re: Please don't insult religion - Ted Smith 15:26:43 07/16/06 (0)
- Re: The "total joke" is any audiophile who says all components sound different ... - FastEddy 15:46:19 07/14/06 (0)
- That is why it is a good idea to get a 30-day satisfaction guarantee when you buy components. - Teresa 15:13:22 07/14/06 (1)
- "A/B’ing will only reveal gross differences, subtle ones you have to actually listen longer." = WRONG - Richard BassNut Greene 08:19:26 07/18/06 (0)
- "Only people who cannot hear..." not to forget those with irreversibly conditioned minds. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:52:51 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: Oh, you mean like members of a cult? nt - geoffkait 07:58:28 07/14/06 (0)
- How ironic coming from someone for whom the 78 RPM shellac phongraph record is the ultimate recording medium nt - Soundmind 07:44:24 07/14/06 (2)
- Best not smoke around that straw man. nt - markrohr 08:05:07 07/14/06 (1)
- I don't think Clarkjohnson is made out of straw. :-) nt - Soundmind 08:21:16 07/14/06 (0)
- Audio Lie #xx: This article was worth the time it took to read (nt) - Bersani 18:38:23 07/13/06 (0)
- Difference in CDP's - adio 12:31:44 07/13/06 (21)
- If you can accept that and - G Squared 13:14:10 07/13/06 (20)
- LOL nt - adio 14:07:22 07/13/06 (19)
- Re: LOL nt - Pat D 15:48:36 07/13/06 (18)
- Re: LOL nt - Sean 17:16:46 07/13/06 (17)
- I believed the "perfect sound forever" hype that is until I lived with the Sony CDP-101 for 9 months. - Teresa 06:57:55 07/14/06 (0)
- Straw man - Pat D 21:05:54 07/13/06 (2)
- Re: Straw man - Sean 07:40:02 07/14/06 (0)
- "You must be young." --Say it ain't so! ;-) nt - markrohr 04:08:59 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: "perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - theaudiohobby 18:24:30 07/13/06 (12)
- "perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - Sean 18:29:24 07/13/06 (11)
- But a lot of people *even here* still believe it! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:00:43 07/14/06 (1)
- Now, don't make fun of other peoples' religion. nt - markrohr 08:07:22 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: "perfect sound forever" is a marketing term - Tom Dawson 20:45:25 07/13/06 (0)
- Two points ... - bjh 19:30:50 07/13/06 (7)
- Re: Two points ... - Sean 20:14:24 07/13/06 (6)
- My first CD player sounded fine. - Pat D 20:57:08 07/13/06 (5)
- Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Sean 09:20:54 07/14/06 (1)
- Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Pat D 20:26:31 07/15/06 (0)
- Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Tom Dawson 21:01:40 07/13/06 (2)
- Re: My first CD player sounded fine. - Tom Dawson 21:36:00 07/13/06 (0)
- Wrong guess. (nt) - Pat D 21:22:51 07/13/06 (0)
- "The efficacy of a tweak can only be determined by listening to it" - andy_c 10:32:05 07/13/06 (6)
- Agreed! Definitely a good candidate for the #11 spot :) [nt] - Steve Cortez 22:09:48 07/13/06 (4)
- You're OK with this variation on your theme then?... - Wellfed 22:22:42 07/13/06 (3)
- I think the real question is when's GK going to bottle boogers? hahaha [nt] - Steve Cortez 03:12:33 07/14/06 (2)
- OMG! Reminds me of my frat days - kerr 09:54:05 07/14/06 (0)
- Don't let that question consume too much of your time. ;-) [nt] - Wellfed 09:08:06 07/14/06 (0)
- That does sound like a good bet for #11 [nt] - Wellfed 10:46:40 07/13/06 (0)
- Re: Goodness sakes! - Ralph 09:57:39 07/13/06 (47)
- I could easily discredit #7 & #9... - Wellfed 11:00:13 07/13/06 (45)
- Re: I could easily discredit #7 & #9... - Tom Dawson 21:48:03 07/13/06 (0)
- Please do so, then. - Pat D 20:53:48 07/13/06 (5)
- Stop by sometime and I will... - Wellfed 21:44:04 07/13/06 (4)
- Just buy a 'Wise Little Wristwatch', and you can take good sound wherever you go! - geeber 21:54:18 07/13/06 (3)
- Reality never really was my bag baby. [nt] - geeber 22:10:55 07/13/06 (2)
- Hey! I didn't post that! - the real geeber 22:15:10 07/13/06 (1)
- It was me actually. [nt] - a real wisenheimer 22:29:31 07/13/06 (0)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - Ralph 12:34:12 07/13/06 (37)
- I only mentioned #7 & #9 because... - Wellfed 18:44:33 07/13/06 (0)
- And cables . . . - Pat D 15:35:10 07/13/06 (1)
- Re: And cables . . . - Ralph 08:18:40 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 14:55:36 07/13/06 (33)
- Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - Tom Dawson 23:02:03 07/13/06 (5)
- Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - theaudiohobby 01:00:50 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: -And that low-K capacitor thing?, OR, why aren't Z5U capacitors good enuf for audio - same deal. - Tom Dawson 01:50:40 07/14/06 (3)
- Re: Support your comments with data -nt - theaudiohobby 07:23:58 07/14/06 (2)
- Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for it. - Tom Dawson 08:44:44 07/15/06 (1)
- Re: Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for - theaudiohobby 07:02:37 07/17/06 (0)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - Ralph 15:22:01 07/13/06 (26)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 16:04:15 07/13/06 (25)
- Re: Harmonics - Ralph 08:09:22 07/14/06 (12)
- Re: A red herring - theaudiohobby 08:17:49 07/14/06 (11)
- Re: Not at all - Ralph 08:53:12 07/14/06 (10)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 09:29:19 07/14/06 (9)
- Re: Not at all - Ralph 09:42:48 07/14/06 (5)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 10:59:30 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: strawmen - Ralph 12:05:40 07/14/06 (3)
- Re: Strawman? let's start over and see who did that - theaudiohobby 13:42:13 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Strawman? we got one right here... troll warning - Ralph 14:14:37 07/14/06 (1)
- Re: Your evidence please - theaudiohobby 17:36:43 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Not at all - morricab 09:42:02 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 12:07:52 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 11:00:35 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - morricab 02:21:15 07/14/06 (1)
- Re: -And that tube thing? - theaudiohobby 08:12:33 07/14/06 (0)
- That the tube vs. SS thing is taken to extremes by ... well ... extremists means little. - bjh 17:06:43 07/13/06 (9)
- Re: That the tube vs. SS thing is taken to extremes by ... well ... extremists means little. - theaudiohobby 17:32:01 07/13/06 (8)
- Why is you *objectivists* play this silly game? - bjh 19:12:31 07/13/06 (7)
- Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Pat D 20:49:41 07/13/06 (6)
- Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - morricab 02:34:13 07/14/06 (4)
- Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Pat D 19:06:50 07/14/06 (0)
- Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Dan Banquer 04:30:59 07/14/06 (2)
- Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - morricab 09:40:52 07/14/06 (1)
- Re: Why is it you continually obfuscate? - Dan Banquer 10:51:29 07/14/06 (0)
- Pat, you may be my favorite I-Child, but if you want me to read your foolishness - bjh 21:05:35 07/13/06 (0)
- At least he believed in speaker break-in. - SalD 10:23:13 07/13/06 (0)
- How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - andy_c 06:54:21 07/13/06 (4)
- Re: How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - Tom Dawson 14:33:01 07/13/06 (0)
- Re: How about "Pure Perfect Sound Forever"? - rick_m 09:29:22 07/13/06 (0)
- I'm getting great digital sound too... - Wellfed 08:53:42 07/13/06 (0)
- Treason! You apparently have little concept of Tribe Loyality! LOL nt - bjh 07:11:40 07/13/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - guskund@yahoo.com 06:28:22 07/13/06 (0)
- Why bother? - jneutron 06:01:32 07/13/06 (14)
- Re: Why bother? - Todd Krieger 13:18:10 07/13/06 (2)
- Re: Why bother? - jneutron 13:40:20 07/13/06 (1)
- Re: Why bother? - Todd Krieger 13:58:19 07/13/06 (0)
- You, of all people - biggerdog 06:56:03 07/13/06 (8)
- Re: You, of all people - jneutron 07:13:45 07/13/06 (7)
- Subversive! - Dan Banquer 10:59:48 07/13/06 (4)
- Re: Subversive! - jneutron 11:16:45 07/13/06 (3)
- Re: Subversive! - Dan Banquer 17:43:53 07/13/06 (2)
- Why didn't you just tell him to hook it up to hear how good it sounded. Oh yeah!, never mind! Anyway, I feel your pain, - bjh 19:48:54 07/13/06 (1)
- LMAO! (nt) - kerr 06:58:27 07/14/06 (0)
- Whew! - biggerdog 08:01:27 07/13/06 (1)
- Not to worry - jneutron 08:49:48 07/13/06 (0)
- Agreed - Schu 06:08:14 07/13/06 (1)
- Re: Agreed - morricab 07:03:31 07/13/06 (0)
- Re: Peter Aczel's biggest "lies" in audio from #11 down... - Soundmind 05:59:47 07/13/06 (7)
- Well perhaps *you* could learn something from Aczel, e.g. product selection. ... - bjh 15:40:09 07/13/06 (0)
- Which audio engineers in particular? - Analog Scott 12:46:34 07/13/06 (1)
- The usual suspects:Aczel's crew of White Hats - Atexanathome 17:30:36 07/14/06 (0)
- The truth is... - Wellfed 11:21:54 07/13/06 (2)
- The truth is......there are many new products out there advancing our SOTA...of fleecing fools - Soundmind 11:42:25 07/13/06 (1)
- Don't forget, proverbs are many... - Wellfed 12:09:15 07/13/06 (0)
- That was a remarkably tame response from you! (nt) - E-Stat 07:29:11 07/13/06 (0)
- Peter Who? - damage k 01:49:02 07/13/06 (2)
- Thank you speyer... - damage k 15:45:24 07/13/06 (0)
- Not cottonears nt - Norm 09:21:24 07/13/06 (0)
- Wellfed, perhaps you could ask the man himself and post results here? ;) [nt] - Steve Cortez 21:57:34 07/12/06 (13)
- In hindsight... - Wellfed 22:04:33 07/12/06 (12)
- Mind you, I was tempted to post #19 on Quantum technology... Guess I just did! :)) [nt] - Steve Cortez 22:14:50 07/12/06 (11)
- I just wrote to The Audio Critic... - Wellfed 22:29:54 07/12/06 (10)
- He's probably talking about subjects in the Hip Boots columns - Atexanathome 15:12:45 07/13/06 (9)
- Stereophile should add a "Hip Boots" section - andy_c 20:51:35 07/14/06 (8)
- Maybe there's hope;they didn't embrace the Intelligent Chip - Atexanathome 15:22:33 07/15/06 (7)
- Actually, Stereophile's Ken Kessler found the GSIC to be effective... - Wellfed 15:48:34 07/16/06 (0)
- I do respect them for that - andy_c 21:53:35 07/15/06 (5)
- You don't understand how the GSIC works, do you? - Wellfed 15:53:13 07/16/06 (4)
- Your concept of "works" is different from mine - andy_c 17:24:04 07/16/06 (3)
- Maybe... - Wellfed 17:58:48 07/16/06 (2)
- Re: Maybe... - andy_c 20:26:26 07/16/06 (1)
- While I agree with your last paragraph in principle... - Wellfed 15:32:15 07/17/06 (0)
- Don't know, but now-a-days bet he wished he'd picked a different - bjh 20:59:50 07/12/06 (0)
- Here's number 11 - andy_c 20:53:19 07/12/06 (21)
- #14: This thread will NOT turn out to be the biggest rumble that AA has ever seen! (nt) - andy_c 21:10:04 07/12/06 (11)
- Only becuse the hypocritical deadbeat *objectivists* that openly (or even covertly) support Azcel will - bjh 21:18:36 07/12/06 (6)
- Re: Err, hang on a second... - andy_c 21:30:09 07/12/06 (5)
- You are correct... - Wellfed 21:39:11 07/12/06 (0)
- Ah so you're a deadbeat *objectivist* that *doesn't* support Azcel ... my aploogies. nt - bjh 21:35:43 07/12/06 (3)
- Re: I agree with many of his views - andy_c 21:43:56 07/12/06 (2)
- You objectivists!, so darned literal. ... - bjh 05:38:10 07/13/06 (0)
- I agree... - Wellfed 22:01:49 07/12/06 (0)
- Sorry Andy, 14 is already taken. ;-) [nt] - Wellfed 21:14:31 07/12/06 (3)
- Shoot. I have lost the high-speed rant competition (nt) - andy_c 21:18:26 07/12/06 (2)
- Now, *that's* funny! nt - markrohr 07:48:17 07/13/06 (1)
- You should have see the action live. [nt] - Wellfed 07:59:59 07/13/06 (0)
- 14. If a miscreant (see 13) *did* return to Audio Reviewing the *Objectivist* element big on Reviewer Credibility would - bjh 21:09:22 07/12/06 (0)
- Is there a proper Forum for my request? - Wellfed 21:08:54 07/12/06 (4)
- That forum is broke - go to page 2 to post (nt) - andy_c 21:11:59 07/12/06 (3)
- Thanks... - Wellfed 21:17:45 07/12/06 (2)
- Re: Thanks... - andy_c 21:22:28 07/12/06 (1)
- I meant the REAL answer to my original query. [nt] - Wellfed 21:25:21 07/12/06 (0)
- 13. If an Audio Reviewer doing #12 were caught he'd leave the industry in disgrace and *never* return. nt - bjh 21:04:44 07/12/06 (1)
- 13.1 If an Audio Reviewer as in 13 held subscription deposits he's ensure that all such were returned, i.e. he - bjh 21:22:10 07/12/06 (0)
- 12: No Audio Journalist would provide positive reviews for products from a company he secretly owns. - bjh 21:02:30 07/12/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for it. - Tom Dawson 08:44:44 07/15/06 (1)
- Re: Here's all the data one could reasonably ask for. However, don't expect a tutorial unless you're willing to pay for - theaudiohobby 07:02:37 07/17/06 (0)