Recently on Cable Asylum, rpl reported that when he removed the heatshrink and pulled back the woven sleeving covering on his $395 power cord from JPS Labs, it revealed a power cable manufactured by Eupen, and bore a standard Eupen part number.This was confirmed by a second party who owned the same power cord.
Rpl also EMailed Eupen and received a price quote for that part number which was considerably less than the $395 JPS Labs was asking for their cable.
Rpl's posts were subsequently deleted. The reason given was:
I point you to rule G. In my opinion, rpl has not provided enough evidence that the JPS power cord is a fully stock item from Eupen.
JPS has stated that they do not use a fully stock cable from Eupen, and that their costs are much higher than what rpl has stated as being the case.
JPS requested that the original rpl post be deleted, and I decided to do so on the basis of rule G.
Any other posts which state as fact that "XX cable costs only so much" without substantial evidence to back-up such a statement, will also be deleted if appropriate under the rules.
It seems to me that the party that has not provided enough evidence is JPS Labs.
Rpl provided subtantial evidence that the power cord is made by Eupen, that it bears as standard Eupen part number, and that its price is considerably less than what JPS Labs is asking for their cable.
Yet based on no evidence from JPS Labs, only empty claims that it is not a stock cord (well sure, the stock cord doesn't come with any heatshrink and sleeving) and that their costs are much higher than the stock cord from Eupen, rpl's posts were deleted.
Rpl accurately reported his findings which were substantiated by others and I see no reason why his findings should have been deleted. If JPS Labs wishes to address his findings, they're free to post a response and detail the value they claim to add to the Eupen cable.
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Topic - JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - Steve Eddy 13:23:55 04/26/04 (101)
- (Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between . . . - (Unregistered for now) 04:20:07 04/29/04 (1)
- Re: (Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between . . . - Steve Eddy 09:17:44 04/29/04 (0)
- Pizza controversy - tkheem 19:55:08 04/27/04 (2)
- I thought there was something shifty about the way that anchovi was looking at me.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:15:41 04/27/04 (1)
- Re: I thought there was something shifty about the way that anchovi was looking at me.... - Ted Smith 14:17:10 04/28/04 (0)
- For those who don't frequent Cable Asylum... - Steve Eddy 14:55:33 04/27/04 (0)
- This thread is MUCH more reasonable than the Stereophile thread above...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 13:27:06 04/27/04 (0)
- Just one of the many more reasons why I bought Naim gear..... - Ian Mackenzie 11:09:38 04/27/04 (0)
- Having read this whole thread, three things stand out. - Rick W 10:40:44 04/27/04 (1)
- Re: Having read this whole thread, three things stand out. - Steve Eddy 10:52:15 04/27/04 (0)
- Question for you Steve. - Hafdef 10:27:13 04/27/04 (2)
- Re: Question for you Steve. - Steve Eddy 10:47:39 04/27/04 (1)
- Fair enough. (nt) - Hafdef 10:51:22 04/27/04 (0)
- Re: JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - ak645 02:12:52 04/27/04 (1)
- Exactly. And as far as I was concerned it could have stayed dead.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 02:16:55 04/27/04 (0)
- Several factors here... - Sean 00:02:36 04/27/04 (15)
- Good post,well said *nt - clbeanz 08:23:06 04/27/04 (0)
- ha....snakeskin - good one!. How apt. nt - Alex S 05:26:29 04/27/04 (0)
- Re: Several factors here... - Steve Eddy 00:57:24 04/27/04 (9)
- Re: Several factors here... - Rod M 11:01:47 04/27/04 (0)
- Re: Several factors here... - Stephæn 09:28:07 04/27/04 (1)
- Re: Several factors here... - Steve Eddy 10:31:34 04/27/04 (0)
- Hmmm, I wonder ... - Jack Seaton 07:17:17 04/27/04 (5)
- Re: Hmmm, I wonder ... - Steve Eddy 08:49:55 04/27/04 (4)
- Re: Hmmm, I wonder ... - Jack Seaton 18:54:29 04/27/04 (2)
- Re: Hmmm, I wonder ... - Steve Eddy 21:14:44 04/27/04 (1)
- Feel free to delete my post. - Jack Seaton 21:43:20 04/27/04 (0)
- You obviously struck on the perfect means to keep the competition at bay - forever! :) nt - bjh 09:41:44 04/27/04 (0)
- I didn't have a problem with Jon deleting the one post.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:12:46 04/27/04 (2)
- Re: I didn't have a problem with Jon deleting the one post.. - Sean 00:27:18 04/27/04 (1)
- Too bad Stereophile doesn't subject cable to test equipment on.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:39:31 04/27/04 (0)
- Re: JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - audiophile36@aol.com 22:27:05 04/26/04 (3)
- Absolutely. But one expects value added when you buy.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:37:04 04/26/04 (2)
- Why don't you yank the shield of the other end of the cable? ... - bjh 23:53:00 04/26/04 (1)
- I only cut one end so that no one can claim that.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 00:04:32 04/27/04 (0)
- Geez, what controversy? - Rod M 19:32:49 04/26/04 (6)
- Re: Geez, what controversy? - nico- 07:58:44 04/30/04 (0)
- Re: Geez, what controversy? - Steve Eddy 21:21:29 04/26/04 (2)
- The pins are silver....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:02:12 04/26/04 (1)
- Re: The pins are silver....in color that is....nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:03:16 04/26/04 (0)
- No Direct Response From JPS PROVING rpl is Wrong. That Tells Me Something! NT - lancelot 19:45:05 04/26/04 (0)
- It turned out to be $30 each for lots of five through the US distributor... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:39:25 04/26/04 (0)
- Re: JPS Labs - BillH 19:08:49 04/26/04 (1)
- What flames? That is pretty much what we all noticed with their products.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:11:32 04/26/04 (0)
- Aarhhhh!!!! Not now!!! I just put the ordert in for the container of Home Depot power cord and palet of shrink wrap.. - slope 18:34:10 04/26/04 (1)
- Get an honest job!!! - BillH 19:11:37 04/26/04 (0)
- Re: JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - Jon Risch 17:28:36 04/26/04 (29)
- My two bits - Norm 18:26:16 04/26/04 (8)
- Not at all...few of their coustomers come here.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:32:07 04/26/04 (7)
- So do you want them arrested? - Norm 20:21:27 04/26/04 (4)
- Not much really, I expected this whole subject to have died out.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:48:44 04/26/04 (3)
- Re: Not much really, I expected this whole subject to have died out.. - marc g. 22:51:44 04/26/04 (2)
- Well, NORMAL markups for a rather sophistcated.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:57:18 04/26/04 (1)
- Re: Well, NORMAL markups for a rather sophistcated.. - Bod 07:48:33 04/29/04 (0)
- Re: Not at all...few of their coustomers come here.... - BillH 19:14:57 04/26/04 (1)
- No doubt about it , matching is everything. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:26:58 04/26/04 (0)
- Two eye-witness accounts are most certainly evidence.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 17:46:16 04/26/04 (1)
- seems like decent evidence to me - Bod 07:40:00 04/29/04 (0)
- The price I got was for the minimum lots of 5.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 17:40:39 04/26/04 (12)
- Did you order the Eupen? If you did a followup ... - bjh 19:09:57 04/26/04 (9)
- Who would trust me to be unbiased in such a comparison? - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:14:03 04/26/04 (8)
- Nice of you to disclose that you wouldn't be able to trust yourself, hence never mind. Thanks. nt - bjh 19:26:22 04/26/04 (7)
- I know what attitude does to perception...comes with that "human" thing...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:28:04 04/26/04 (6)
- I recently had a surprise when I heard a difference between ... - bjh 19:41:45 04/26/04 (5)
- There is a reason judges recuse themselves on cases - rp1@surfnetusa.com 19:51:57 04/26/04 (4)
- Fair enough... but let's take another hypothetical case ... - bjh 20:01:47 04/26/04 (3)
- Depends on whether he is a salesman or not... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:05:07 04/26/04 (2)
- LOL. Great response ... just wanted to satisfy myself you weren't a fanatical advenger type! nt - bjh 20:07:41 04/26/04 (1)
- Far from it....hell...I want to get my money from my JPS stuff when I sell it.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:13:27 04/26/04 (0)
- Re: The price I got was for the minimum lots of 5.... - Magnetar 18:15:09 04/26/04 (1)
- I was interested in them, at their actual price, for the computer biz...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 18:29:56 04/26/04 (0)
- What would satisfy you Jon? - rp1@surfnetusa.com 17:36:37 04/26/04 (4)
- Re: What would satisfy you Jon? - Steve Eddy 18:42:42 04/26/04 (3)
- Risch wrote ... - bjh 19:03:30 04/26/04 (2)
- Re: Risch wrote ... - Steve Eddy 19:15:09 04/26/04 (1)
- Just goes to show ... what goes around comes agound .. hey Shirley. nt - bjh 19:29:35 04/26/04 (0)
- JPS Needs to Stand Up To The Plate - lancelot 16:42:42 04/26/04 (8)
- It seems to me that they did - Rob Doorack 20:20:27 04/26/04 (7)
- Don’t be so naive - Caymus 23:58:24 04/26/04 (5)
- Get a grip - Rob Doorack 04:59:05 04/27/04 (4)
- Steve Eddy posted the pictures....look up...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 12:41:51 04/27/04 (3)
- They don't prove anything - Rob Doorack 15:30:10 04/27/04 (2)
- If I caught the man sleeping with my wife... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:23:04 04/27/04 (1)
- Re: Notary Public - Rob Doorack 17:55:16 04/27/04 (0)
- For one thing, - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:43:33 04/26/04 (0)
- Why pick on JPS? - Jon L 16:38:30 04/26/04 (3)
- I wasn't. - Steve Eddy 17:01:47 04/26/04 (0)
- And the reviewer would have... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:41:35 04/26/04 (1)
- Re: - Stephæn 14:25:55 04/27/04 (0)
- The entire list of numbers is as follows.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:03:13 04/26/04 (0)
- Re: JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - gonefishin 14:30:31 04/26/04 (1)
- Re: JPS Labs/Eupen power cable controversy - Steve Eddy 15:53:33 04/26/04 (0)
- Now come on Steve - chris_w 14:30:10 04/26/04 (2)
- I did seriously consider that the beauty wrap might be.. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:09:07 04/26/04 (1)
- Wot ! not even PET ! well beauty is less than skin deep -nt - chris_w 11:34:26 04/27/04 (0)
- P.S. - Steve Eddy 13:29:23 04/26/04 (5)
- Threatened lawsuit maybe? Who knows. nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:07:30 04/26/04 (0)
- Re: P.S. - Ted Smith 14:30:56 04/26/04 (3)
- Nope, but a reasonable guess. - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:22:49 04/26/04 (2)
- Re: Nope, but a reasonable guess. - Steve Eddy 16:25:59 04/26/04 (1)
- Oh, duh....I think you are right! Read first, then write...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 16:29:37 04/26/04 (0)