Fellow Audiogoners:
I would like to share an incident with you that occurred last week. Input in any form is very welcome, I am trying to make sure that I'm not over-reacting, and that the nature of this incident is as serious as I
believe it to be.On December 22, 2003 I saw an item that I was keenly interested in - it was a Mark II version of a piece of equipment that I had been looking for and was being offered at a reasonable price. Knowing that the model
revision has been available for less than half a year, I wondered how it could be offered at such discounted price. I contacted the seller requesting the serial number and received no response. I also contacted two dealers to see if they had any information - possibly there was some sort of introductory "deal" to be had .
In the period of contacting the seller and both of the dealers, the ad had been marked as "sold" - which was not surprising considering the price the piece was being offered at. However, what I found out subsequently from one of the dealers was very surprising, and somewhat troubling.Most dealers of this particular brand of equipment had not yet had this piece in stock, and were wondering themselves how this gear had "appeared" on the used market so soon. I got the impression that they were a little aggravated. One dealer revealed to me in a subsequent e-mail that they have confirmation this was being sold in rather questionable circumstances, ie. the gear was still owned by the manufacturer, it was
being sold by a reviewer from an on-line publication, and the manufacturer was completely unaware of the sale.To say that I am shocked by this is a vast understatement! If there is truth to this then - for me anyway - it calls in to question all sorts of issues surrounding the validity and ethics of both review publications, and reviewers themselves. It is one thing to assign a positive review - which in any case is subjective at best - to a piece of equipment merely because a manufacturer is good enough to lend gear on a consistent basis, but it is quite another to be curbsiding equipment that is on loan, is it not?
I guess my real questions/concerns in no particular order are:
1. Is this an unusual occurrance in this industry?
2. Is there some sort of industry regulatory body that presides over matters of this nature? (My guess would be not)?3. If you were the manager of one of these types of publications how would you/should you react, and/or what measures would you take?
4. As a consumer, how do you feel about this type of activity?
5. If the seller is selling goods that they don't own, nor have permission to sell from the owner, what does that make the seller?
6. Am I right that this is an issue that requires concern, given that most of the transactions on this website require a certain amount of goodwill on the part of all concern to complete properly?Up to this point, I have had nothing but pleasant and successful transactions through the use of this website. I sincerely hope that this is an isolated incident.
Regards,
Forbes
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Topic - Integrity of review publications? - fcreetlew 06:23:16 01/01/04 (104)
- The guy who owns the strip joint is blasé about the dancers. - John Marks 16:34:13 01/02/04 (4)
- "I helped appeal Claus von Bulow's attempted-murder conviction" - Biencfg 14:40:52 01/03/04 (1)
- They ignored the cubicle rats - John Marks 16:47:13 01/03/04 (0)
- "The guy who has to turn in 2,500 words on time has heard most of it before" - eungkim67 20:18:46 01/02/04 (1)
- The average is very good - John Marks 07:35:51 01/03/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - khaki8 08:58:49 01/02/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? More info... - fcreetlew 05:58:19 01/02/04 (3)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? More info... - Caymus 11:29:37 01/02/04 (2)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? More info... - fcreetlew 23:21:13 01/02/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? More info... - Walt 11:57:12 01/02/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - dave 21:08:15 01/01/04 (1)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - Don T 21:54:06 01/01/04 (0)
- Integrity? What inttegrity? - porky_pig_jr 19:24:48 01/01/04 (0)
- Any evidence to your accusation? - Caymus 17:42:55 01/01/04 (0)
- The problem with this sort of post is it casts aspersions on the whole industry - John C. - Aussie 15:01:59 01/01/04 (32)
- Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Sean 15:32:03 01/01/04 (31)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Don T 18:13:10 01/01/04 (28)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Sean 22:26:02 01/01/04 (27)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Don T 01:26:48 01/02/04 (26)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Sean 02:00:52 01/02/04 (25)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Don T 11:15:43 01/02/04 (24)
- Re: Let those in the industry speak for themselves... - Sean 13:56:04 01/02/04 (23)
- You can't have your cake..... - Don T 20:34:17 01/02/04 (18)
- Re: You can't have your cake..... - Sean 21:13:49 01/02/04 (17)
- Re: You can't have your cake..... - Don T 23:08:16 01/02/04 (16)
- Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 10:06:34 01/03/04 (15)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 15:26:08 01/03/04 (14)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 15:54:34 01/03/04 (13)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 16:14:57 01/03/04 (12)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 16:26:31 01/03/04 (11)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 21:39:43 01/03/04 (10)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 23:08:51 01/03/04 (9)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 09:18:07 01/04/04 (8)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 12:31:09 01/04/04 (7)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 10:22:29 01/05/04 (6)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 20:58:08 01/05/04 (5)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 12:48:38 01/06/04 (4)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 22:42:22 01/06/04 (3)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 18:40:49 01/07/04 (2)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Sean 20:31:44 01/07/04 (1)
- Re: Listening preferences vs neutrality - Don T 12:18:47 01/08/04 (0)
- Sean, it really looks as though you don't have a day job... - Biencfg 20:02:53 01/02/04 (2)
- A job? What is that? - Sean 20:15:45 01/02/04 (1)
- Didja like that ??? : ) - Sean 10:12:17 01/03/04 (0)
- Give it up, Don. It's hopeless. nt - Dave Pogue 14:12:05 01/02/04 (0)
- You missed the point Sean - John C. - Aussie 15:48:09 01/01/04 (1)
- No points missed / been there, done that - Sean 16:05:15 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - Don T 12:36:05 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - Walt 10:39:15 01/01/04 (1)
- Right! And we would have no reviewers or publications - Norm 11:15:10 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - david k. 10:27:14 01/01/04 (6)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - fcreetlew 12:41:31 01/01/04 (0)
- Never run across such a situation? - Sean 11:22:01 01/01/04 (4)
- Re: Never run across such a situation? - david k. 12:41:37 01/01/04 (3)
- Re: Never run across such a situation? - fcreetlew 16:24:09 01/01/04 (2)
- Your Answer to Common Occurence -- And Question for You! - Doug Schneider 16:40:33 01/01/04 (1)
- Re: Your Answer to Common Occurence -- And Question for You! - Double D 09:51:01 01/02/04 (0)
- Harvey Rosenberg once sold a review pair of Atma-Sphere amps on Ebay - JakeLA 09:56:37 01/01/04 (11)
- He sold more than that... - Sean 10:55:09 01/01/04 (10)
- Do you know that as a fact... - Art Dudley 14:26:34 01/01/04 (9)
- Re: Do you know that as a fact... - Rick W 17:34:40 01/01/04 (3)
- Re: Do you know that as a fact... - Don T 12:41:55 01/02/04 (2)
- Gentleman's agreements - eungkim67 19:24:59 01/02/04 (1)
- Excellent and valid points - Sean 10:22:06 01/03/04 (0)
- Re: Do you know that as a fact... - Sean 14:57:10 01/01/04 (4)
- Re: Do you know that as a fact... - Art Dudley 15:54:02 01/01/04 (3)
- Re: Do you know that as a fact... - Sean 23:02:42 01/01/04 (2)
- Re: What? - Dave-A 08:05:14 01/03/04 (1)
- Get your facts straight... - Sean 09:16:50 01/03/04 (0)
- Enjoy the Music.com Policies - Steven R. Rochlin 09:56:37 01/01/04 (6)
- Like the reviews, but.... - Ozzy 14:05:58 01/01/04 (5)
- Throwing stones in a glass house ? : ) - Sean 14:56:20 01/01/04 (4)
- The PFO policy ... - drclark 09:40:19 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - Srajan Ebaen (R) 09:06:51 01/01/04 (19)
- That's all good and such... - Sean 11:14:18 01/01/04 (18)
- Re: That's all good and such... - Rob Doorack 14:12:41 01/01/04 (1)
- Good info - Sean 14:46:49 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: That's all good and such... - Srajan Ebaen (R) 12:38:33 01/01/04 (3)
- Re: That's all good and such... - Sean 13:16:02 01/01/04 (2)
- Re: That's all good and such... - Srajan Ebaen (R) 14:25:16 01/01/04 (1)
- Well stated (nt) - Sean 15:44:36 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: That's all good and such... - drclark 11:54:04 01/01/04 (3)
- Thank you for sharing that info - Sean 12:00:33 01/01/04 (2)
- nothing is perfect - drclark 12:07:27 01/01/04 (1)
- No doubt... - Sean 12:11:14 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: That's all good and such... - Doug Schneider 11:29:27 01/01/04 (7)
- regarding industry abuses by review staff - Ken Lyon 22:53:58 01/01/04 (5)
- Re: regarding industry abuses by review staff - Doug Schneider 07:17:21 01/02/04 (2)
- Re: regarding industry abuses by review staff - Ken Lyon 15:09:20 01/02/04 (1)
- Re: regarding industry abuses by review staff - Doug Schneider 16:36:00 01/02/04 (0)
- Thank You Ken... - Sean 23:12:22 01/01/04 (1)
- Re: Thank You Ken... - Ken Lyon 01:26:06 01/02/04 (0)
- You continue to impress me... - Sean 11:38:14 01/01/04 (0)
- Hmmm. This is his first post, and it begins "Fellow Audiogoners" .... - Big Dave 09:04:43 01/01/04 (0)
- Not Integrity of review publication but theft. - Kal Rubinson 09:01:34 01/01/04 (1)
- Re: Not Integrity of review publication but theft. - John Atkinson 15:04:35 01/01/04 (0)
- SoundStage! Network Policies - Doug Schneider 08:53:13 01/01/04 (0)
- Question for Forbes - Prof. Chaos 08:07:34 01/01/04 (1)
- Re: Question for Forbes - fcreetlew 12:38:50 01/01/04 (0)
- Re: Integrity of review publications? - shack 07:29:18 01/01/04 (0)