In 6moon's Auroville archive, Srajan mentions in Auroville 20 the "Wood effect" and that absolute polarity is clearly audible to "those experts".I obtained a copy of Clark Johnson's AES paper, read a few of the references cited therein, re-read Greiner's JAES paper "Observations on the audibility of acoustic polarity"..
I then wanted to know. So I did the test at home. My preamp has a phase inverse swich for the left channel, so I pressed the mono switch, muted the right speaker and put the EBU SQAM CD in the player.
I played several of the tracks , such as pink noise, electronic gong (100Hz, 400Hz), triangle, grand piano, trumpet, marimba, gong, speech and I could not hear any difference between the two positions of the switch.
What does that mean ? Is it an issue of my hearing or is it an issue of my audio system.
Dan Shanefield wrote in the letter section of Audio Magazine 1990 :
"in case the effect turns out to be strongly audible, the speakers should be checked for unusually high 2nd-harmonic distortion, which would be an extraneous factor that could artificially make it audible".
"Although it might be a reasonable idea to establish a standard for absolute polarity - as suggested in the reviewed book (Clark Johnson's "Wood effect")-, careful experiments have shown so far that it is not audibly important and , in many cases, it is completely inaudible."
Greiner's paper was published in 1994, has there been other publications after that date on the polarity issue ?
In any case my conclusion is that I can't hear it on my system, so I don't worry.
Klaus
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Topic - Absolute polarity, is it audible ? - Klaus 04:45:00 09/10/03 (65)
- NO, but it sure is cold. (nt) - davewe 15:26:47 09/12/03 (0)
- YES, it is audible - Jon Risch 16:13:41 09/10/03 (9)
- This is exactly and precisely correct. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:09:44 09/11/03 (0)
- Re: YES, it is audible - Klaus 00:11:50 09/11/03 (6)
- Re: YES, it is audible - markrohr 04:31:04 09/11/03 (5)
- Re: YES, it is audible - Klaus 05:19:29 09/11/03 (4)
- Correct: "Absolute polarity is a monaural phase effect." However... - clarkjohnsen 09:20:47 09/11/03 (3)
- Comments on your "proofs of an absolute polarity" - Klaus 00:19:17 09/12/03 (2)
- Re: Comments on your "proofs of an absolute polarity" - clarkjohnsen 06:28:43 09/12/03 (1)
- Re: Comments on your "proofs of an absolute polarity" - Klaus 21:56:24 09/12/03 (0)
- Re: YES, it is audible COTD - Jon Risch 16:17:00 09/10/03 (0)
- You didn't use the right method ? - David Aiken 14:02:14 09/10/03 (26)
- Bad choice of words but *YOU* know what I meant... - David Aiken 12:27:39 09/11/03 (21)
- Re: Bad choice of words but *YOU* know what I meant... - Klaus 00:29:59 09/12/03 (20)
- "I have difficulties to believe . . . " - markrohr 04:36:16 09/12/03 (19)
- Why bother? - David Aiken 15:36:21 09/12/03 (11)
- The science of tweaking - Klaus 23:13:50 09/12/03 (9)
- Re: The science of tweaking - David Aiken 00:41:11 09/13/03 (8)
- Re: The science of tweaking - Klaus 22:55:58 09/13/03 (7)
- Okay, I'll bite . . . - markrohr 07:28:41 09/14/03 (3)
- Specs, specs and specs - Klaus 00:26:49 09/15/03 (2)
- There you have it, folks...............nt - markrohr 07:33:03 09/15/03 (1)
- So what... - Klaus 03:49:07 09/16/03 (0)
- Re: The science of tweaking - David Aiken 00:07:10 09/14/03 (2)
- Re: The science of tweaking - Klaus 07:22:43 09/15/03 (1)
- Self deception and error - David Aiken 14:16:22 09/15/03 (0)
- *Very* well said, David.....nt - markrohr 15:58:44 09/12/03 (0)
- Eggs Ackley! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:29:25 09/12/03 (0)
- Memory is a volatile thing... - Klaus 06:50:48 09/12/03 (5)
- You know why I beat my head against the wall, don't you? - markrohr 09:01:55 09/12/03 (4)
- Why not leave emotions outdoors and discuss matters objectively ? (nt) - Klaus 00:23:42 09/13/03 (2)
- Re: Why not leave emotions outdoors and discuss matters objectively ? (nt) - Timbo in Oz 02:32:58 09/13/03 (1)
- Objectively - Klaus 02:13:25 09/15/03 (0)
- The above observation has not been peer-reviewed, nor is it supported by double-blind tests.........nt - markrohr 09:02:55 09/12/03 (0)
- "I could assume that the disc has wrong polarity." - clarkjohnsen 09:07:26 09/11/03 (0)
- Re: You didn't use the right method ? - Klaus 00:21:33 09/11/03 (1)
- Absolute polarity essentially a monophonic phenomenon ? - David Aiken 12:42:16 09/11/03 (0)
- Time has come for more tests - Klaus 00:37:09 09/12/03 (0)
- It's audible on digital material in my system - Commuteman 11:27:56 09/10/03 (0)
- Yes it's audible, however who needs - Chuck Y 11:23:03 09/10/03 (7)
- A lot of switches have very little effect. Don't trust them. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:54:38 09/10/03 (6)
- Clark, are you having a bad day, or do you just enjoy tossing out personal insults?....... - Chuck Y 15:50:44 09/10/03 (5)
- Begging your pardon, I was just informing you (and everyone)... - clarkjohnsen 09:03:30 09/11/03 (4)
- I guess I'm having a dull moment............. - Chuck Y 10:26:26 09/11/03 (3)
- "what is this 'truth' you were trying to convey to everyone?" Geez Luiz! - clarkjohnsen 15:22:59 09/11/03 (2)
- Just 'cause I'm paranoid doen't mean that no one's out to get me....... - Chuck Y 16:30:52 09/11/03 (1)
- OK! nt - clarkjohnsen 06:11:02 09/12/03 (0)
- What's the difference? Recording engineers don't seem to care - Richard BassNut Greene 10:43:46 09/10/03 (2)
- With rare exceptions, recordings of acoustical instruments in any grouping exhibit marked polarity. - clarkjohnsen 13:53:53 09/10/03 (0)
- What's the difference? - markrohr 12:33:12 09/10/03 (0)
- Re: Absolute polarity, is it audible ? - electrophile 08:58:51 09/10/03 (0)
- Naw. Don't worry, be happy. - clarkjohnsen 08:09:48 09/10/03 (2)
- Thanks Clark for chiming in and setting it straight !! - Klaus 22:31:25 09/10/03 (1)
- "Who then tells me which gear is showing the affair correctly?" - clarkjohnsen 08:43:36 09/11/03 (0)
- Re: Search on Bottlehead Forum - Matts 07:12:03 09/10/03 (0)
- Yes--but with a caveat - markrohr 07:09:20 09/10/03 (2)
- Re: Yes--but with a caveat - Klaus 08:15:52 09/10/03 (0)
- Re: If you want to go take the time... - Matts 07:14:49 09/10/03 (0)
- Yes and No - John K 06:44:01 09/10/03 (1)
- Please elaborate. - golar 22:48:18 09/15/03 (0)
- Re: Absolute polarity, is it audible ? YES - Response34 06:01:56 09/10/03 (4)
- Different subject - markrohr 06:57:49 09/10/03 (1)
- Re: Different subject-correct - Response34 07:00:12 09/10/03 (0)
- Is your method different sounding that reversing speaker wires? - Chris O 06:53:13 09/10/03 (1)
- Re: Is your method different sounding that reversing speaker wires? - Response34 06:56:30 09/10/03 (0)