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In Reply to: your forgetting about the common denominator ... posted by TBone on February 21, 2002 at 07:14:03:
>>BUT ... take a properly mastered 16/44 disk (huge numbers exist), play it on a very capable system & cdp - and you get NO PCM glare & hardness. <<Absolutely. And that's the reason why I'm still using my 10-year old stock JVC XL-Z1010 with
C-J amplification. Not only with Dorian, Harmonia Mundi, Nimbus, Gimell, Chesky, etc., but also with a *lot* of EMI, Philips and Columbia transfers of old recordings it still manages to nail me to the listening chair.>(funny - i consider the sony's to have considerably to much glare & >hardness - i consider them 'screamers' not 'singers')<<
Yes. It's inevitable when you have hyper-detail. Always that kind of mild pin-prick feeling -- of icy diamond-like sparkle, of excess tension. Some people actually like that, though.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What's the best strategy, buy SACD, DVD, HDCD or wait? - Ron 06:28:11 02/20/02 (129)
- Get a SACD player with better CD playback than your current player - Stephen 14:36:40 02/21/02 (4)
- Precisely and Hopefully - Robertc88 06:36:34 02/22/02 (0)
- I recently "upgraded"... - BS64 15:49:28 02/21/02 (2)
- Re: I recently "upgraded"... - JayD 18:28:32 02/21/02 (1)
- Even If there Are No Titles - Robertc88 06:38:40 02/22/02 (0)
- Aren't Folks Spending MORE on CDPs to Best SACD players?? - Robertc88 13:18:56 02/21/02 (2)
- We're spending more on CDPs to get better CD playback. (nt) - brinkmann 17:35:04 02/21/02 (1)
- Hopefully the Effort is Beating CD Playback on SACD Players - Robertc88 06:33:37 02/22/02 (0)
- Its a VERY easy choice - Rodney Gold 21:02:59 02/20/02 (33)
- A turntable? :) nt - StylinLP 10:57:00 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Not so easy... - JayD 13:57:23 02/21/02 (25)
- Exactly!! - Robertc88 08:48:02 02/22/02 (5)
- Re: Exactly!! - JayD 13:22:39 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Exactly!! - Jack G 13:13:09 02/22/02 (3)
- Not Sure I Understand - Robertc88 06:16:56 02/23/02 (2)
- Re: Not Sure I Understand - Jack G 12:26:39 02/23/02 (1)
- Re: Not Sure I Understand - JayD 13:58:11 02/23/02 (0)
- Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - theob 17:40:44 02/21/02 (18)
- Re: Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - Jack G 18:12:48 02/21/02 (17)
- Buy cd's since you get very good performance on Sony SACD players as well. nt - theob 19:42:51 02/21/02 (15)
- As good or better than a hi-end CDP? - Jack G 03:39:07 02/22/02 (14)
- Not Many Are Admitting - Robertc88 08:43:07 02/22/02 (13)
- What Many Are Admitting is that the SCD1 can hold it's own versus... - theob 18:14:47 02/22/02 (12)
- why go there???? - TBone 08:06:06 02/26/02 (0)
- LOL! Just hang on a minute there will you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:26:33 02/23/02 (5)
- I wouldn't take Heart Over 9000ES! - Robertc88 06:30:13 02/24/02 (1)
- But you haven`t heard it Robert! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:19:34 02/24/02 (0)
- I said it was a minority opinion. But I have heard owner's of audio salon's... - theob 15:31:47 02/23/02 (2)
- Re: I said it was a minority opinion. But I have heard owner's of audio salon's... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:09:37 02/24/02 (1)
- I believe it was an early review of the scd1 in HFN&RR. nt - theob 05:33:22 02/24/02 (0)
- Couldn't Find Better Deal Than - Robertc88 08:44:31 02/23/02 (4)
- What is it with you and multichannel? (nt) - Jack G 12:28:11 02/23/02 (3)
- Don't You Understand? - Robertc88 03:55:34 02/24/02 (2)
- Yes, do you? - Jack G 13:55:26 02/25/02 (1)
- Jack ... - TBone 08:11:33 02/26/02 (0)
- Re: Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - JayD 18:25:48 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: Its a VERY easy choice - Paul-D 10:13:06 02/21/02 (0)
- S/W needs - s.hum 06:45:24 02/21/02 (3)
- ditto that (nt) - brinkmann 17:36:58 02/21/02 (0)
- Well said, indeed ... - Mike K 10:49:13 02/21/02 (0)
- well said <nt> - TBone 07:44:49 02/21/02 (0)
- I concur (NT) - janis 03:52:24 02/21/02 (0)
- Wait for Blue Ray apperently....(nt) - brinkmann 13:28:44 02/20/02 (2)
- This reminds me of being single and always looking over the shoulder of my 'partner of the evening' - theob 05:33:43 02/23/02 (1)
- Sorry. I meant that to come across sarchastically. (nt) - brinkmann 09:06:27 02/23/02 (0)
- SACD sounds great, but...... - Dreamtime1 13:26:26 02/20/02 (7)
- Re: SACD sounds great, but...... - doug brown 21:20:40 02/21/02 (1)
- CE7775 - You Got What You Paid For!! NT - Robertc88 08:47:33 02/23/02 (0)
- How much was Cary? How much was 333ES? NT - Robertc88 13:06:26 02/21/02 (4)
- Re: How much was Cary? How much was 333ES? NT - Dreamtime1 19:15:24 02/21/02 (3)
- Enjoy Your Purchase - Robertc88 10:19:01 02/23/02 (0)
- You Doubled The Price For Better CD Playback!! - Robertc88 08:50:01 02/23/02 (1)
- That's right..... - Dreamtime1 21:18:14 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: What's the best strategy, buy SACD, DVD, HDCD or wait? - jimd 12:55:43 02/20/02 (0)
- SACD - ELN 09:37:32 02/20/02 (69)
- Psst, ELN, er mon or is it Zen, Will or Tired? - Rod M 05:49:16 02/22/02 (0)
- Probably playing CD's on his SACD machine.... - AbeCollins 19:26:48 02/20/02 (21)
- Most SACD adopters compared SACD with CD playback by established CDPs - DkB 22:20:35 02/20/02 (20)
- your forgetting about the common denominator ... - TBone 07:14:03 02/21/02 (1)
- Glaring perception - DkB 23:10:14 02/28/02 (0)
- Right on the nose! - malinowsky 10:51:50 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: Most SACD adopters compared SACD with CD playback by established CDPs - Ted Smith 23:38:37 02/20/02 (17)
- BUT ... let me quote you - TBone 07:42:39 02/21/02 (16)
- Yes, however.. - Ted Smith 10:34:30 02/21/02 (15)
- well ... anyway you cut it ... - TBone 11:27:42 02/21/02 (14)
- Let me try again :) - Ted Smith 11:37:50 02/21/02 (13)
- I may be missing something ... but - TBone 12:11:36 02/21/02 (12)
- I've been trying to correct your facts :) - Ted Smith 12:31:36 02/21/02 (11)
- got it ... - TBone 12:55:21 02/21/02 (10)
- It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - AbeCollins 22:52:07 02/21/02 (9)
- "get fine sounding music from my entire CD collection" - Stephen 16:53:15 02/23/02 (2)
- OK, I get fine sounding music from *most* of my CD collection... - AbeCollins 22:02:18 02/24/02 (1)
- I'm sorry too, Abe . . . . - dkb 21:24:38 03/01/02 (0)
- The realization will hit you too one day! (nt) - Stephen 22:22:56 02/24/02 (0)
- Does Abe listen to a lot of classical music? - DkB 21:22:08 03/01/02 (0)
- Couldn`t agree more Abe - when the dust... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:37:54 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - RFM 01:26:25 02/23/02 (2)
- geez - what crap ... - TBone 06:42:06 02/25/02 (0)
- Re: It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - AbeCollins 16:45:08 02/24/02 (0)
- Well said. (nt) - Jack G 13:15:21 02/22/02 (0)
- Hey Abe ... - TBone 07:51:16 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - Jack G 13:26:45 02/20/02 (8)
- How low do they have to drop and how many titles need there be? - Chris Garrett 20:54:27 02/20/02 (5)
- 573? Whoopee! - Jack G 03:25:26 02/21/02 (4)
- Your wish is Albany's command, this is the first label to sell their SACDs and CDs for exactly the - Teresa 23:45:13 02/21/02 (1)
- Re: the sound of 2 hands clapping! - Bruce from DC 06:52:51 02/22/02 (0)
- That's your prerogative, to be sure.. - Chris Garrett 09:28:57 02/21/02 (1)
- Quite right - Jack G 13:54:35 02/21/02 (0)
- Well I do have 300+ CDs. - ELN 15:11:23 02/20/02 (1)
- Re: Well I do have 300+ CDs. - Jack G 03:27:31 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - TBone 09:48:08 02/20/02 (36)
- oh thats too bad - mon 11:22:22 02/20/02 (28)
- Re: oh thats too bad - TBone 12:31:36 02/20/02 (27)
- I was skeptical too - mon 15:20:04 02/20/02 (26)
- How 'bout.................... - Chris Garrett 20:57:21 02/20/02 (23)
- Marantz and Sony SACD Players and - mon 21:48:58 02/20/02 (22)
- Nope ... not in my experience - TBone 06:50:18 02/21/02 (21)
- Mark Levinson the man prefers the Sony DVP-S9000ES over the $13,000 2 Piece Mark Levinson CD/DA - Teresa 23:52:08 02/21/02 (14)
- Hmmm ... - TBone 07:56:38 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Mark Levinson the man prefers the Sony DVP-S9000ES over the $13,000 2 Piece Mark Levinson CD/DA - Frank I 06:52:07 02/22/02 (12)
- So? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:45:29 02/23/02 (0)
- my pre-amp is Tube, and I do like Reference Recordings LPs a lot, can hardly wait for their SACDs! - Teresa 02:26:00 02/23/02 (10)
- Re: my pre-amp is Tube, and I do like Reference Recordings LPs a lot, can hardly wait for their SACD - Frank I 06:58:58 02/23/02 (9)
- I sold my SOTA Comet Turnable with Alpha Genesis 1000II Moving Coil cartridge after hearing - Teresa 11:06:09 02/23/02 (8)
- you are ... - TBone 06:52:27 02/25/02 (4)
- Most of those were Audiophile LPs and many have allready been replace on SACD, I have 200 SACDs! - Teresa 11:07:15 02/25/02 (3)
- YOUR KIDDIN ME ... RIGHT - TBone 07:29:31 02/26/02 (2)
- Wrong - SACD is the greatest musical advance in history!!! - Teresa 21:01:49 02/26/02 (1)
- The greatest advance ??? - TBone 06:34:38 02/27/02 (0)
- yes SACD is what music was meant to be, I am not joking! If you are not listening to SACD you are - Teresa 20:33:57 02/27/02 (0)
- Teresa ... your fanatically funny!!! - TBone 06:41:08 02/28/02 (0)
- TBone what are you afraid of? Audio salvation is here and you turn your back. - Teresa 10:49:17 02/28/02 (0)
- nothing ... - TBone 12:58:31 02/28/02 (0)
- I give up you can remain in CD hell! Just don't drag me down with you, I love music too much! (nt) - Teresa 01:02:26 03/01/02 (0)
- Awe ... maybe i need an exorcism!!! - TBone 06:59:54 03/01/02 (0)
- You're deliberately BS-ing all over this thread, ain't you Terry baby :-) - momo 13:46:39 02/23/02 (2)
- Yes I sold all my Audiophile LPs, while I love the sound of Vinyl, I hate the care and feeding of LP - Teresa 22:09:24 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: You're deliberately BS-ing all over this thread, ain't you Terry baby :-) - Frank I 15:27:19 02/23/02 (0)
- yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - mon 09:48:48 02/21/02 (5)
- Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - TBone 09:57:50 02/21/02 (4)
- Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - mon 10:49:42 02/21/02 (3)
- Once again ... - TBone 11:10:57 02/21/02 (2)
- no, i expect my system to - mon 13:31:25 02/21/02 (1)
- ridiculas ... - TBone 07:58:45 02/22/02 (0)
- Yah, so what's your point..... - AbeCollins 19:29:36 02/20/02 (1)
- Re: Yah, so what's your point..... - mon 22:14:30 02/20/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - ELN 11:14:57 02/20/02 (0)
- Exactly! Bad CD player = bad sound, good CD player = good sound. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:03:57 02/20/02 (5)
- Also: Good CD player = good sound, good SACD player = great music! <nt>. [nt] - Methos 10:33:41 02/20/02 (4)
- Also, good SACD = "Where`s the music?" (CD = 2 million+) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 23:01:25 02/20/02 (3)
- Chris I have almost 200 fantastic SACDs, musically and sonically. (nt) - Teresa 23:56:05 02/21/02 (0)
- Ah well, you've got me there! Time to spin my Boston disc again! : ( - Methos 09:10:58 02/21/02 (1)
- Re: Ah well, you've got me there! Time to spin my Boston disc again! : ( - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 06:22:59 02/23/02 (0)
- It depends. - Alex Yakovlev 07:31:02 02/20/02 (0)
- Rick, Ron ....whoever you are - TBone 07:08:28 02/20/02 (3)
- We 3 brothers share an audio e-mail portal, Rick, Ron, and Gene. - Ron 07:40:54 02/20/02 (2)
- How about "My 3 Brothers" (nt) - Jim D. 08:35:54 02/20/02 (1)
- But Wouldn't That Make Four Of Them? (nt) - Luminator 10:20:21 02/20/02 (0)
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- Right on the nose! - malinowsky 10:51:50 02/21/02 (0)
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