In Reply to: RE: imo NOS DAC's ROCK posted by Charles Hansen on February 8, 2009 at 19:16:58:
Frequency and impulse response plots provide little information regarding a DAC’s performance with music. Frequency response uses steady-state sine waves and very few DACs have trouble with that kind of signal. But, if you add an amplitude envelope the landscape changes.
Here is a tone with a linear up/down ramp processed by DAC Y (non-oversampled.)
Here is the same signal processed by DAC A (8x oversampled, linear phase FIR, delta-sigma modulation.)
The ringing is evident even though the signal slowly ramps up/down from/to zero. Worse yet is the dynamic compression. This is common to all FIR filters. FIR filters essentially replace each sample point with a weighted average of the surrounding samples.
An impulse is noise and a DAC’s response to noise is not very informative. However, if you add a frequency component to the impulse all kinds of unpleasant things show up.
Here is a two-cycle sine wave burst processed by DAC Y.
Here is the same signal processed by DAC A.
Here is the same signal processed by DAC W (8x oversampled, minimum phase FIR, delta-sigma modulation.)
Unlike the natural decay of a note, the ringing is enharmonic. What’s more, the reproduced signal is also off-pitch.
In all cases the signal frequency is at least seven octaves below the Nyquist frequency.
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Follow Ups
- All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - jmlpartners 13:08:04 02/10/09 (26)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - rick_m 08:19:49 02/11/09 (0)
- I Guess Every Story Has More Than One Side...To Filter Or Not to Filter - Dynaudio_Rules 07:03:22 02/11/09 (0)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - Tony Lauck 19:24:38 02/10/09 (18)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - jmlpartners 08:34:11 02/11/09 (17)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - Tony Lauck 10:18:25 02/11/09 (16)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - jmlpartners 12:14:55 02/11/09 (7)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - Todd Krieger 14:48:04 02/11/09 (0)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - Tony Lauck 13:37:27 02/11/09 (5)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - jmlpartners 20:38:10 02/11/09 (4)
- RE: All FIR filters are fatally flawed. - Tony Lauck 08:59:09 02/12/09 (0)
- You STILL don't get it - dwk 08:18:33 02/12/09 (2)
- No, I DO get it. - jmlpartners 10:16:03 02/12/09 (1)
- RE: No, I DO get it. - Tony Lauck 10:41:13 02/12/09 (0)
- Question about "upsampling" - Slider 11:38:31 02/11/09 (7)
- RE: Question about "upsampling" - Todd Krieger 14:59:38 02/11/09 (0)
- RE: Question about "upsampling" - Tony Lauck 11:57:03 02/11/09 (5)
- No brickwall filter then? - Slider 12:11:50 02/12/09 (4)
- No Free Lunch! - Charles Hansen 20:30:32 02/12/09 (0)
- RE: No brickwall filter then? - Tony Lauck 13:52:34 02/12/09 (2)
- So, is that a yes? - Slider 23:56:53 02/12/09 (1)
- One of the few posts by Ted that is wrong. - Charles Hansen 10:42:34 02/13/09 (0)
- Hmmm. - Charles Hansen 13:59:38 02/10/09 (3)
- RE: Hmmm. - jmlpartners 08:26:11 02/11/09 (2)
- Please e-mail your test files to me. - Charles Hansen 20:34:42 02/12/09 (0)
- RE: Hmmm. - Tony Lauck 11:11:39 02/11/09 (0)
- At 44.1 kHz Fs, No Solution Isn't Flawed......... - Todd Krieger 13:22:08 02/10/09 (0)