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RE: I wasn't talking about blatant copies or rip offs.

right, but then you are calling the regular retail chain product a rip-off with 480$(?) markup, when you are now admitting that they may be selling off product which they got for free, or for virtually no cost because it is stolen or fraudulently acquired. In fact, if we assume that the manufacturers plan ahead and build in slack in their quotes to have surplus available for sale through the back door, then they are actually causing the price of the regular channel merchandise to go up, not the company having them made!!!

I tend to agree with you about the double-edged sword of cheap goods now/ mass unemployment later, but a rip-off is a rip-off.


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