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In Reply to: Comfortable home / focused discussion ? posted by JOEY. on November 24, 2002 at 02:13:31:
Joey, it has gone that way, but it should not be necessarily that way. This should be a place for the technically inclined to talk 'turkey' without worrying about leaving some behind who are not at all technical. I think that I understand Jon R's position on DBT and this forum is allowing people to give their personal experiences with cables easier now than previously, on the 'cable' section. John R is an engineer, who has done quite a bit of original work on cables and distortion measurements. He just doesn't want the 'hear no difference' crowd to DEMAND DB tests according to their formula. It is almost impossible to tell the difference between almost any component with an ABX test, so long as the gain and the frequency response are matched within about .1 dB, and the distortion is fairly low. I challenge you or anyone else to try it yourself, if you don't believe me. If the ABX tests are accurate, then we are wasting our time here. If they are not accurate, then we still have to use our ears in more open tests, in order to improve our audio products. Of course, it would be great if we could measure the differences that we hear. That is what you, I and Jon R attempt to do.
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Well in most instances these certain ratings you speak of cannot be replicated(db levs,Distortion & the like).Switchboxes will add another dimmention.Then you get to the point of the synergy issue where a set of cables or whatever might not work in a particular system as opposed to another.
That is what I am trying to get at as far as synergy.If it be a marketing term then I don't have a problem with it as long as I am not the one doing the buying of the products or they have done research into the product to see what might work best or have issues with the products it works with.
The tests I will do involveing Cryo treated cables will not have these problems and will be intresting.I might have a few people over to see listen so the testing will not be skewed with my subjective opinion.I will ask people to leave the room several times to switchout the cables and tally their opinions.
Hello John,We are largely in agreement on these issues, but in your post, whilst I am not absolutely sure, I get a hint that you may feel that I am attacking Jon R in my response. IF YOU HAVE THIS VIEW, then let me make clear that nothing could be further from the truth and that this was not intended . Sorry if any noses are out of joint. I was simply trying to rationalise the difference in the two forums, which in light of the 'guiding objectives' of the banner will polarise the debate, into seperate forums.
HAVE FUN,
Hi Joey, I was not sure of your knowledge of Jon R's background, so I might fill that in. That is all that I was conveying. I'm OK, you're OK ! ;-)
Sounds like a book a I once read!I won't tell you how the author turned out.
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